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Drive one now 20 years later and compare the steering feel to most of the crap thats out there now and it makes you wonder why anyone would bother buying a new car. Ironically I have a 2017 530i, and its incredibly dull to drive. I bought it purely for the comfortable seats because of a back issue i've got. Man I wish that thing was even slightly more engaging. If the steering was closer to my old E90 i'd be happy |
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Current base m3 has CF roof, front brace, shaft, and trim. Current m5 has CF roof. If the next m3 to follow new m5, Sounds more downgrade to me.
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All this just sounds as typical marketing/corporate BS. Are they going to make their cars look more attractive and use more luxurious interior materials while keeping the lead in performance? I dont think this is feasible. I don't think we will see much changes with the upcoming generation of 3er considering the car will be based on the same platform as current 5 and 7. Maybe the next generation..., let's hope North Korea doesn't nuke us before we see what BMW M really meant to say...,
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I have the zf in the x5m and the dct in the m3. DCT is being phased out by bmw because the current longitudinally based getrag one is maxed out on torque, upgrading clutch packs and software can only do so much and cannot compensate for a full warranty production. BMW is saving a buck because the zf is good enough. You see this in Audi as well as the new RS4/RS5 will be a torque converter auto vs the dct in the S3/RS3/TTRS. AMG just goes with their revised 9 speed torque converter. I'm likely moving on to another brand for performance, if this is true. The DCT is a huge part of the driving joy I feel with the M3 vs the X5M.
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almost every high performance supercar/hypercar has a dct. it just isn't longitudinally mounted.
DCT is not going away bro.
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The f8x throttle needs much more modulation and feathering than most cars I have driven, but if you have the patience to learn the technique, the M3 rewards you.
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BMW is maximizing shareholder value which dictates that the vast majority of consumers want variety. Suffice it to say, the average BMW buyer simply wants to set him/herself apart the BMW buyer next door, but is unwilling to pay, nor understands/cares for the value proposition of full fledged M and spends a few $$$ more to get that M-lite badge.
Only us enthusiasts care about true M performance, but we are insignificant in the grand scheme of things especially now that the M brand has been diluted. BMW's sales prove that year over year. |
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Maybe, just maybe they will surprise us... Then again, I somehow have the feeling they are reserving that space for non ICE engine car for the future. |
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BMW hit a homerun with the F80 design. To my eye, it's the best looking M ever. I'm simply referring to its exterior dimensions. E90 size would've been perfect.
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So if we trace the S55 which is a derivative of the N54/5 which is a derivation of the M54....you'll see BMW has not produced a new engine since really 2000. LOLOLOL. M3 evolution is looking pretty drab.
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People complain that the F8x has lost it's M DNA, that it's grown too much in size, whine about turbos, and bitch about piped in engine noise and the shitty exhaust note, but then opt for a DCT (or opt for a competing car which is not even offered in manual). So for all the gnashing of teeth about how the Ms are no longer purist cars, they skip the one thing that is arguably the biggest contributing factor to the driving experience. |
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