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If they can make solid cars and stay true to their mantra of keeping the price low, I am on board. I am an equal opportunity car lover!
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think this move will wake up BMW. Korean cars has been on top of their tech and all they have to do is beef up their cars. Genesis R was a good example of their performance and now with the head of the M division moving to Hyundai, it's a great start.
Genesis R : 429hp, 376tq + head of M division experience + pricing starting at 48K + Rear view camera STANDARD with a whole bunch of tech more advanced than BMW ... I'd cross shop. Those specs are from 2012 also. imagine what they can bring in +2016 Hyundai also manufactures all their parts in house starting from the steel itself so R&D for better parts isn't the problem. Bringing in the head of M division was a great move IMO Competition = win for consumers. maybe BMW will start listening to their buyers and put some ridiculous options as standard
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Having driven both H cars and BMW's (including owning several M cars) I can say that H Brand will sell them and that they aren't aiming to take market share from M. They have a long way to go to get the solidity and refinement of any BMW much less an M car.
I think they are aiming for an unanswered market niche. Enthusiast cars for people who don't want a previously enjoyed M (i.e. Worn out) or don't have $85K (starting) for an M car but still want more performance and feel than a standard H car. I'm sure they will be decent cars an open a few eyes. But I don't see any true BMW enthusiast going down the street to get one. Most anyone whose had an M car and has left the brand for a lesser brand probably wants to be back in an M car. Heck I drive a regular BMW and pine for my E90 M3 every day. |
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Not really competition for the M, those crowds won't cross shop.
However, GREAT competition for VW and the new R400. That's where this new concept really belongs, not as competing with the M.
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If Hyundai can follow the winning formula of (Manual + RWD + Lower price than competitors) They will have a market Not to mention sprinkle more power than the FRS w/ their awesome warranties and rebates and they may even convert some people. *Not to mention the way BMW M cars are depreciating in Value for your money and now are not the leading performance brand like last generations e92. If things continue this way the market will by wide open... Last edited by DJKapeesh; 08-26-2015 at 02:20 PM.. Reason: add more |
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Then Hyundai comes along with Bierman at the helm, "N" as their name, and colors that are dubiously close to BMW M GmbH branding. It's a real head-scratcher, but not entirely unexpected. Both Hyundai and Kia have made a big business of ripping off other brands' designs.
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Hopefully VW actually produces the R400 (apparently it has been confirmed) and Hyundai feels like they need to respond.
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So many morons in this thread. You all have no idea who that engineer is, do you. Like, not just that he came from the M Division, but who he actually is and what he has accomplished. BMW has lost their way, and I hope Hyundai puts the hurt on them big time to make them wake the fuck up.
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N will always come after M.
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Aww shucks...That's so cute!
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I'm actually excited at seeing what Hyundai comes out with. Competition is always good for the enthusiast market, since brand loyalty is so overrated
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Yes the N stands for No To Sport lol
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Hate? Since when having fun is hate? More competition is a great thing as it will push BMW M to newer heights. But that doesn't mean we cant have a little fun.
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