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08-29-2013, 08:50 AM | #90 |
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Agreed, the E89 is beautiful, but too big and heavy.
When I bought my E36/8, it was small and there was no Cayman yet. The E85/86 was still a less polished and cheaper competitor than the Boxster/Cayman. Now the E89 has sort of lost the plot. Hopefully they get back on track, Scott's info sounds promising. |
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08-29-2013, 08:56 AM | #91 | |
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Yes. other than the series spinoffs, you still have to mention the X4, X7 and the 8er. ohh and the i5
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08-29-2013, 10:09 AM | #92 |
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Just read through the whole thread, damn you guys are being hard on Scott! Lighten up, he`s giving us future plans for the brand!
On-topic, with all this new models planned in the future, I`m kinda seeing BMW becoming more of a global brand catering to a whole wide audience. It seems to me that BMW while, is still a premium brand, is wanting more people to come into the brand regardless of wealth, hence the many new models coming. Hopefully these cars will be great! |
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08-29-2013, 02:45 PM | #95 | |
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Scott26, i have two questions. First off, the important one: Is your name really Scott?
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08-29-2013, 11:04 PM | #96 | |
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That is what I took away from the Scott26's post until he gave that pleasant news at the end Quote:
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08-29-2013, 11:41 PM | #97 | |
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I have few questions here. Are you talking about F10 5 series LCI version having improved steering over non LCI F10. So what are some of the changes that have caused this improvement.
Because if you are talking of comparing the steering feel of F10 in general vs E60 or E39. Then I think you are sadly mistaken as I have owned both an E60 545i and a E39 525i both for 5 years at a time. I went to go buy an F10 535i M-sport and was hugely disappointed with how it felt disconnected from the driver. It felt like it had moved up market further and the sport flavor was diluted further in favor of luxury flavor. As for the F30 I have driven multiple examples and as a owner of E92 335i and E46 330i not to mention have driven multiple examples of all three over years F30, E9x, and F30. I can tell you that the plastic quality in some places on F30 is subpar, hard and cheap in comparison to other models. On the other hand yes the design theme of design on F30 is good but quality is not on par. Also, you are right BMW built image on sports sedans etc. So why ruin that image by constantly diluting the brand image by making watered down sports sedans now. The new F30, F10, and the 7 series are each more soft core then the last generation. How is that sensible. If BMW owners wanted soft core cars they would go to Lexus or host of other brands. Just to get few of the Lexus, Audi or Cadillac buyers to cross shop BMW it does not make sense to dilute the brand and alienate the current buyers and owners. As for pure sports car issue. It is about time BMW brand that claims to have a slogan "Ultimate driving machine" would make and ultimate sports car in range of $50K-60K that could compete with the likes of Porsche Cayman S, Corvette stingray, and Lotus Exige S. To me it is strange that company that is about performance brand imaging goes out and redesigns a good looking Z4 car. Yet during the redesign process instead of targeting the leader Porsche Boxster S goes and targets the heavy and far less exciting and thrilling performance machine in MB SLK. Now what is BMW design chiefs thinking. The hard top is not a bad idea but the rest of the car should have employed intensive weight loss and the suspension and handling should have been to target Porsche Boxter S not SLK. I mean the new Jaguar F type is more on a right track. Such a beautiful shape in Z4 wasted in my opinion. I also thought about buying a Z4 35is but how does one do that when you can see what Porsche Boxster S or Porsche Cayman S offer. Bottom line I know BMW focus might be prospective buyers but like one of the poster here said how about us current owners that are already part of the family. Why ignore us is our money not good for BMW By the way thanks for taking part in this discussion. I am also waiting for the answer do you ever take feedback from here to the BMW. Also, are you actually employed with BMW or just an insider with information. Quote:
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08-29-2013, 11:49 PM | #98 | |
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Now that is some much needed good news Scott26.
I think among these variants of Z's a fixed hard top version would be awesome. One that should be designed squarely towards the enthusiast. A dedicated performance machine for $50K range aimed at the Lotus Exiges S and Cayman S and Corvette Stingray. Are there any chances of BMW going Mid-engine configuration for this fixed hard top version of light weight Z. Because I think that would be the ultimate. A proper sports car with engine in proper place for greater chassis balance and handling. It will also improve steering feel by taking weight off the front wheels. Please, no EPS electric steering just a good ol fashioned HPS or better yet if they use extensive Carbon reinforced fiber for light weight purpose keep the weight minimum by going back to basic NO PS. Second, as someone already mentioned it needs to have proper cooling so it does not over heat on track and go in limp mode after 30 minutes. I am also not against the high performance hybrid engine with twin turbo I6 and electric motor. The electric motor giving that instantaneous acceleration from just above 0 rpm then running up at max until the turbos take over around 1500 rpm. This way the engine would have even better then the NA engine response on track. Also, the car would be more fuel efficient for daily driving. But the key is to keep the car super light weight. Quote:
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08-30-2013, 02:32 AM | #99 |
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Kayani I don't understand why you shop for non m 5er and complain about "handling, steering feel and weight"
it would be silly to have a mainstream large car like 528 or 535 that tried to be very sporty because it would fail miserably in the market. If the non m 5er volume model does not sell enthusiasts don't get the m5.... By the way you do realize the f type v6 s is 3800lb right? You sure it is on the "right track"? e89 z4 which is lighter and $20k cheaper.... |
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08-30-2013, 11:18 PM | #100 | |
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LOL......you are not serious are you. How many 5 series and 7 series have you owned in past? So that I can get an idea of where that opinion is coming from. Because I am confused as to why you would say that.
In past one did not have to always buy an M in 5 series to enjoy a great balance of sports and luxury. An E39 5 series was a sweet sports sedan even in non-M version. Ditto goes for E60 5 series. If you don't want to take the word of an owner who had both versions for more then 5 years each. Then just go read some reviews and you will see what I am talking about. Those generations of 5 series did not lose badly to cars in their class. They won most comparisons and were hands down much more sporty then this F10. As for who would buy them if they were sporty? Come on now you are kidding me right. The previous generation 5 series cars that were far more sporty compared to their rivals are the ones that build the legend and sale were ever increasing when they were in production. To me the F10 dilutes teh 5 series brand image. The current generation F10 non-M cars are a let down in comparison as they are too soft. They are not superior to their rivals either and in fact lately lose most comparisons. Going from class leading to losing goes very much in line with my personal opinion of F10 after being a long term owner of both an E39 and E60. I will also go on and say that BMW had pretty good sales success with the previous generations 7 series E65 and E38. They both felt far more sporty then the F01 7 series. Both those earlier generations 7ers had plenty of buyers lined up to buy them including me. As I owned a E65 745i when it came out in short wheel base version and can tell you that it felt even more sporty then the current F10 5 series. Maybe you are right and who buys sporty larger size cars because we got plenty of Lexus LS lovers. But then again maybe you are missing the point by ignoring the Porsche, Maserati, and Aston who make sporty larger luxury sedans. One can buy Porsche Panamera flavors and know immediately that you will get a driver oriented large sedan and not some soft core fluff wannabe sports sedan. As for how is the Jaguar F type on right track compared to Z435is. Get behind the wheel of the Jaguar F type and tell me if it does not feel more sport oriented then the Z435is without holding any prejudice. Now don't get me wrong I never said the F type is perfect. It could benefit from losing more weight. But the car is tuned right. In my opinion it is still more on a right track for first effort then Z435is is after being successive efforts. If I was buying in that class I would not have the Z4 or Porsche or F type. I would buy a Lotus Exige S or jut buy a stingray. That Exige S makes the Porsche look tame and less fun to drive and stingray is the best bang for the buck performance machine period. Quote:
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08-31-2013, 09:16 AM | #102 |
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I tried the e39 540 and e60 550 and thought there was not enough performance. Again, they are big cars so that is just how it goes.
Cayenne is a great example. I have tracked one and it is way more agile and fun than something that huge has any right to be. But at the end of the day it is good "considering its size" and that qualifier applies to any of the cars (panamera, quattroporte, etc) you mentioned. |
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08-31-2013, 11:46 AM | #103 |
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First I would like to say that I think "Scott" is one of the great assets this forum has over others. Second, I've owned BMWs since the 1980s and I used to like every single model except the 7 but now there is honestly not a single model in production that interests me. There is currently no M car below 4000 lbs. There is no F-series car with acceptable steering feel. EDC with comfort mode has compromised the premium suspension options and so on. At this rate BMW risks becoming an invisible brand like Lexus and Benz to long time fans. Compare that with Porsche where I'm interested in every single model ( Put my money where my mouth is this spring and got a 2013 Cayenne ). With their growth into new segments they are becoming the new "old" BMW. I have hope for the F8X but I lament the loss of the legendary BMW and their near perfect stable of ultimate driving machines at attractive price points. If the 991 was not so ridiculously expensive we would be a two Porsche family by next year.
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I am not so sure that most here have a problem with post 91 era cars. As they still offered plenty of fun and performance. It is the cars designed post 2007 that are a bit lacking and have moved over more to the luxury end then the sports end.
The only exception to the rule is 335is, and 1M.
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Is this back again?
OK hit me!
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Damnit Scott... Do you realize how much softer the 3 series suspension has gotten since September of 2013. Can you address rumors that the next 5 series suspension is being tuned by Simmons Beautyrest?
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