[agentorange]

Originally Posted by Lincoln61

The EU was not imposing its will on the uk.....We had a veto (as well as a shed load of other special deals!)

In 20 years time when all the younger generation take us back in on less favourable terms, hopefully the leavers will see how short sighted they were.

...and why did Britain negotiate for the veto and the other special terms? Think about it.

As for your second point, I had no idea that education had reached the depths we have here in Las Vegas. So pleased I never had children.

[Wills2]

Well they certainly seem to be getting to the bottom of it today in the chamber...

[zofinger]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Well they certainly seem to be getting to the bottom of it today in the chamber...

That's terrible. I vote Leave ...this thread please

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by zofinger

That's terrible. I vote Leave ...this thread please

It was funny though I notice all the humourless goats in there didn't even raise a smile, if Soames had been in there he'd have laughed.

[Wills2]

A great inside story on Brexit on BBC2 now.

[GBR1]

Another day wasted albeit some close votes..

191 voted to revoke article 50, is that more votes than TM’s deal got the first time?

Here comes MV4!

[TodmordenLad]

Brexit uncertainty has cost Britain £600 million a week - Goldman Sachs

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1RD1T8

Strong and stable, eh?

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by Moonbat

All options rejected...

Brexit: MPs reject all options in second round of indicative votes – live news

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...votes-live-new

MPs to now vote on one word at a time. First proposal is the word: "The".

That's Parliament really taking control hey....what a shower of shit.

[mcoops]

Jesus wept. They really are beyond belief. There is a majority in there to avoid no deal, and probably a customs union, but they are too imbecilic to make it happen. Wait, maybe they DID agree something, and all the news channels are just doing April Fools...

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

Brexit uncertainty has cost Britain £600 million a week - Goldman Sachs

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1RD1T8

Strong and stable, eh?

Of course, this is all just “project fear” dontcha know? The unicorns will come galloping over the horizon on the 11th of April to save the day.

It’s terrifying. And it’s my kids’ generation that’s going to have to pick up the pieces, all because a cabal of xenophobic right wing millionaires and a parliament that’s only interested in playing its own pathetic power games have completely lost sight of why they’re there and who they represent. Utterly disgusted by our failed political class.

Drain the swamp!

[TodmordenLad]

"We've got the worst prime minister since Anthony Eden. We've got the worst leader of the opposition in the entire history of the Labour Party. And we've got the worst Parliament since Oliver Cromwell"

Former Conservative MP Ann Widdecombe on Newsnight. Mad as a box of frogs but on this occasion, 100% spot on

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by Blacktemplar

It's terrifying. And it's my kids' generation that's going to have to pick up the pieces, all because a cabal of xenophobic right wing millionaires

Yes, exactly. And the left-wing crazies opposing them who have only cared about a power grab. The sensible middle ground has been utterly overrun.

It's pointless, but I genuinely wonder where we would be now if we'd have had a left of centre or centrist (Blairite) Labour backing Remain in 2016.

[Blacktemplar]

The Government in this country is bloody lucky we’re nothing like our bolshy pals across the Channel - there would’ve been rioting on the streets by now otherwise.

The way Brexit has polarised UK society and the low tide mark of bottom-feeding politics has exposed the deep-rooted attitudes of many in this country is disturbing in the extreme.

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

Yes, exactly. And the left-wing crazies opposing them who have only cared about a power grab. The sensible middle ground has been utterly overrun.

It's pointless, but I genuinely wonder where we would be now if we'd have had a left of centre or centrist (Blairite) Labour backing Remain in 2016.

Well, MB, to answer your question in the second para., assuming it was a business friendly centrist govt., our economy would have continued to grow, not shrink, and sterling wouldn't have crashed - and I'd like to think that parliament would have focused on the real issues of the day such as the housing crisis, funding the NHS and healthcare, worsening regional inequality, funding our schools and all the other problems which have been forced into the shadows by the lunacy of Brexit for the last three years

[1 AKY]

Not intended to offend....except those who empathise with it.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

Well, MB, to answer your question in the second para., assuming it was a business friendly centrist govt., our economy would have continued to grow, not shrink,

I think your assertion that the UK economy has shrunk since the 2016 referendum is incorrect but if you can link evidence to the contrary I'm happy to stand corrected!

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by JNW1

I think your assertion that the UK economy has shrunk since the 2016 referendum is incorrect but if you can link evidence to the contrary I'm happy to stand corrected!

Maybe my terminology is misleading. Here's copy/paste of my post above

Latest CER estimate: the UK economy is 2.5 per cent smaller than it would be if Britain had voted remain. The knock-on hit to the public finances is £19 billion per annum – or £360 million a week.

https://www.cer.eu/insights/cost-bre...lative-decline

Take it or leave it, these economists are a pro - Europe think tank. I would listen to them more than to Prof Patrick Minford and his crew, who as a Vote Leave economist, brazenly stated that Brexit would mostly eliminate manufacturing in the U.K. - and that we shouldn't be concerned about it

[Lincoln61]

Just watching the Laura K programme.

What a total shambles the lot of them are. I can see why it went wrong with TM not getting people together. BUT I can see why she didn't......the whole lot of them are in it for their own personal agendas.

I cant see even buddha getting that lot to reach a compromise that was good for the country rather than their own ideology.

[225]

Now we have people forcing a long extension which all sounds great until you see the small print from the EU.
Barnier said today a long extension if granted will cost billions, block trade talks, make us a rule taker with no say and is not much better than a no deal.

[Lincoln61]

I am going to stick my neck out and say we will have a referendum. Of course it wont be called that, it will be a confirmation vote with remain as an option.

[Broncho]

I wonder how many Ford workers voted to leave?

https://news.sky.com/video/no-deal-b...-ford-11682263

[zofinger]

Originally Posted by Lincoln61

I am going to stick my neck out and say we will have a referendum. Of course it wont be called that, it will be a confirmation vote with remain as an option.

Definitely possible. It would be the last time I ever voted.