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F30 335iAT 0-200kmh :20.4s F10 535iAT 0-200kmh: 21,8s That's less difference than the 328i vs 335i. Think about it! Last edited by Robin_NL; 02-28-2012 at 12:56 PM.. |
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02-28-2012, 01:17 PM | #113 |
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What is torque braking?
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02-28-2012, 01:22 PM | #114 |
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Holding your left foot on the brake to keep the car stopped while pressing the accelerator with the right foot to increase RPM, then releasing the brake. In this case they revved to 2,000 RPM to get up in the torque band at launch, then released the brakes.
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02-28-2012, 01:34 PM | #115 |
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Got it, so in effect when you release the car the engine is spinning at higher RPMs and thus great torque to the wheels at start?
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02-28-2012, 01:38 PM | #116 |
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02-28-2012, 01:44 PM | #118 |
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Right but there is still a 500 LB weight difference between a 335i and a 535i which is massive. The cars have identical engines so the weight differential is made up more so than when comparing a 335i to a 328i which is down on 40 HP. Anyway you look at it, with that much of a weight difference between a 3 and a 5, the responsiveness / acceleration of the vehicles will not be even close nor could it be. Try that again by doing 100-200 KM (where launching is not a concern) and I promise the results will be even further apart.
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02-28-2012, 02:43 PM | #119 |
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They always lauch from a dead stop. The question is when does the clock start? If they measure with rollout, it doesn't start until the car has moved one foot, which seems to generally subtract 0.2-0.4sec from the 0-60 compared to staring it from when the car first moves.
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02-28-2012, 02:50 PM | #120 | |
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"Hi! We haven't changed our methodology, and we still use rollout. Currently (and going a long way back) we use 0.3 miles per hour to approximate the 1-foot rollout. The rollout time is typically around 0.2 to 0.3 second. We've always had a lively discussion here in the office about publishing rollout times in the performance results. Do you think that would be a good idea, or just extra information that might confuse too many readers?" I'm pretty sure MT does the same, but can't currently find a document that confirms that. |
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02-28-2012, 03:35 PM | #121 | |
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02-28-2012, 07:45 PM | #122 | |
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All this stuff with roll out, or torque breaking is great, I suppose, but they should also just include a normal 0-60. Its really not asking for much. |
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02-29-2012, 12:57 AM | #124 | |
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The 2012 335i does not do 0-60 4.7s
First the reviewer did torque braking so he's kinda cheating the 0-60 and creating some hooplah and reality is slower as recorded by C/D. A 335is can consistently do 0-60 in 4.5-4.7 (Road and Track 4.5). According to C&D (4.6 seconds).
Comparing real C/D results between the 335is coupe and 2012 335i sedan reveals the real story. Look at each track time below: 335is Coupe Power (SAE net): 320 bhp @ 5900 rpm Torque (SAE net): 370 lb-ft @ 1500 rpm C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec Zero to 100 mph: 11.4 sec Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.0 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 108 mph Source: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test 2012 335i Power: 300 hp @ 5800 rpm Torque: 300 lb-ft @ 1200 rpm C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 5.3 sec Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec Street Start, 5–60 mph: 5.9 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 103 mph Source: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review Also just review the C/D test notes: 2012 335i 0-60 5.3 and look at the outside cold temp which would helps the 0-60 time. The 335is for example was done at near 70-80 degree temps. http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...april-2012.pdf http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2011-bmw-335is.pdf Quote:
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@KevinJ. Thanx for the info, and whatever the outside temperature and other conditions:
German carmag AMS tested an F30 335i sportline 0-62 in 5.1 seconds. My F30 335i is just as fast as my ex my 2007 N54 335i but even has a better sound/brakes and chassis to it. Whatever the outcome and until the M3 arrives, or if there's an upgrade of the N55 etc., in this segment the F30 335i sportline is the real sports sedan as BMW advertised. |
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02-29-2012, 01:42 AM | #126 |
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Curious to know...
from your point of view: who would be the closest competitor to the F30 335i ? Now that you are one happy owner of one, which car do you consider to be most likely to tail the F30, and for which you should keep an eye in the mirror?
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02-29-2012, 02:58 AM | #128 | |
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02-29-2012, 06:45 AM | #129 |
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lol @ fake exhaust voice-over @ 1:12.
So just to re-cap, what the f30 328i claims to do well, when pushed to the limit and red-lined in sport mode, busting some veins, the f30 335i does better in it's bath robe without breaking a sweat. Not bad. The f30 335i has some great potential. |
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Can you please link to the forum discussion? It sounds like a good read. |
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02-29-2012, 10:21 AM | #131 | |
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Good one! and realistically too!
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02-29-2012, 10:58 AM | #132 | |
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on another note- love the upholder test- if he did that in an e9x he'd be covered in water
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