EGR Recall - 335d

f1swk · 09-30-2018, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hooded

What's the manufacture date?

its 62 plate,one of the early tourings

b16jsy · 10-01-2018, 06:53 AM

Well my 2013 330d (124k miles) was in at Cooper BMW Sunderland on Friday for it's EGR inspection.
According to them, my EGR Cooler has a crack in it letting exhaust gasses escape, BUT this is not part of the recall campaign. They told me they are specifically looking for traces of coolant and coking up of the EGR cooler module itself, and when they inspected mine it was perfectly clear, so they can't replace it as part of the recall.
So although the part in question is faulty, they can't cover it's replacement FOC.
Just my luck!!
They are going to speak with BMW UK over the next day or two and find out if they can offer some sort of goodwill, but personally I doubt that will happen, will keep you updated....

Cheers
Joe

Hooded · 10-01-2018, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f1swk

its 62 plate,one of the early tourings

It should be part of the recall then.

JD6 · 10-01-2018, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b16jsy

Well my 2013 330d (124k miles) was in at Cooper BMW Sunderland on Friday for it's EGR inspection.
According to them, my EGR Cooler has a crack in it letting exhaust gasses escape, BUT this is not part of the recall campaign. They told me they are specifically looking for traces of coolant and coking up of the EGR cooler module itself, and when they inspected mine it was perfectly clear, so they can't replace it as part of the recall.
So although the part in question is faulty, they can't cover it's replacement FOC.
Just my luck!!
They are going to speak with BMW UK over the next day or two and find out if they can offer some sort of goodwill, but personally I doubt that will happen, will keep you updated....

Cheers
Joe

I suggest you read post #99 in this thread. I understand that the author works for a BMW dealer and he believes that all EGR coolers from the affected period will be replaced, but they are prioritising ones which are leaking today, as they don't have a sufficient stock of coolers to do them all immediately.

If that's correct, you may have to wait a bit, but you should not have to pay anything.

Harryg · 10-01-2018, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD6

I suggest you read post #99 in this thread. I understand that the author works for a BMW dealer and he believes that all EGR coolers from the affected period will be replaced, but they are prioritising ones which are leaking today, as they don't have a sufficient stock of coolers to do them all immediately.

If that's correct, you may have to wait a bit, but you should not have to pay anything.

Yeah just had the dealers on regarding my BMW and they say they have sent photos off to BMW and they are not going to replace the EGR at this time so another trip back to the dealers when they decide to replace it.

Alscoob · 10-01-2018, 10:14 AM

Above seems to be the case. Mine is in Thursday and talking to them today I was advised that...

"Its the cooler we will be looking at to check that it has no leaks / fluid in it - If it is of the most up to date part number and is OK on inspection we will not change it" -

If it is an older part No. and OK we will order a new one and let you know when to come and have it changed. -

If it is faulty or with a leak or evidence of coolant (any part number) -we get a replacement as priority but keep your car with us (if we haven't got one to fit) and BMW give you a replacement car until it's repaired.

So lets see what happens.

MDriver1 · 10-02-2018, 06:23 AM

When the egr cooler is replaced is a software update required?

I ask as my car has a remap. I have seen one post in this thread from an owner who is also mapped and his seemed to have not been updated but further confirmation would be great.

Hooded · 10-02-2018, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDriver1

When the egr cooler is replaced is a software update required?

I ask as my car has a remap. I have seen one post in this thread from an owner who is also mapped and his seemed to have not been updated but further confirmation would be great.

Not if it's just the cooler replaced.

Watsey · 10-02-2018, 03:16 PM

I get the impression that BMW is winging it with this ("it's not a recall") recall.

Had another conversation with the supplying dealer today to try and get a still better understanding of the works, parts to be replaced, etc. It was still fuzzy in parts.

Cooler, and perhaps the EGR, will be removed for inspection. Will be cleaned if required (soot/sludge build-up). They are specifically looking for signs of cracking and/or leaks. BMW has supplied a photo reference pack to aid the evaluation.

If there's no sign of cracking and/or leaks, the cooler will be refitted.

If the cooler needed to be cleaned, the EGR (and potentially other components) will also be removed for visual inspection and/or cleaning. These may also be refitted.

The next bit was less precise.

Q : Why would BMW advise the refitting of parts to a vehicle where there has been a higher risk of failure and/or fire regarding vehicles within a specific manufacturing date range, and where the design and manufacture of those parts subsequently changed ?

A : It will all depend upon the results of the inspection, plus a consideration of the vehicle mileage.

Q : Does BMW accept that refitting inspected parts does not necessarily reduce the risk of failure and/or fire ? These old design parts could fail at any time.

A : Cooler failure would normally be preceded by indicative symptoms : loss of coolant; warning lights; odour. Cars do not suddenly burst into flames.

The answers also partly alluded to higher mileage cars potentially being more likely to have new design EGR and cooler fitted, but also no guarantee of that happening.

Basically, a lot of of if but and maybe.

Watsey · 10-02-2018, 03:21 PM

I get the impression that BMW is winging it with this ("it's not a recall") recall.

Had another conversation with the supplying dealer today to try and get a still better understanding of the works, parts to be replaced, etc. It was still fuzzy in parts.

Cooler, and perhaps the EGR, will be removed for inspection. Will be cleaned if required (soot/sludge build-up). They are specifically looking for signs of cracking and/or leaks. BMW has supplied a photo reference pack to aid the evaluation.

If there's no sign of cracking and/or leaks, the cooler will be refitted.

If the cooler needed to be cleaned, the EGR (and potentially other components) will also be removed for visual inspection and/or cleaning. These may also be refitted.

The next bit was less precise.

Q : Why would BMW advise the refitting of parts to a vehicle where there has been a higher risk of failure and/or fire regarding vehicles within a specific manufacturing date range, and where the design and manufacture of those parts subsequently changed ?

A : It will all depend upon the results of the inspection, plus a consideration of the vehicle mileage.

Q : Does BMW accept that refitting inspected parts does not necessarily reduce the risk of failure and/or fire ? These old design parts could fail at any time.

A : Cooler failure would normally be preceded by indicative symptoms : loss of coolant; warning lights; odour. Cars do not suddenly burst into flames.

Q : Will the car potentially be required at a later date to eventually fit new parts if this doesn't take place at the first visit ?

A : No real answer.

The answers also partly alluded to higher mileage cars potentially being more likely to have new design EGR and cooler fitted, but also no guarantee of that happening.

Basically, a lot of of if but and maybe.

330XDave · 10-03-2018, 12:47 AM

Just booked mine in at Stratstone Derby (god knows why based on past experiences). Earliest they can do it with a courtesy car is 6th November

Jim Bob · 10-04-2018, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watsey

I get the impression that BMW is winging it with this ("it's not a recall") recall.

Had another conversation with the supplying dealer today to try and get a still better understanding of the works, parts to be replaced, etc. It was still fuzzy in parts.

Cooler, and perhaps the EGR, will be removed for inspection. Will be cleaned if required (soot/sludge build-up). They are specifically looking for signs of cracking and/or leaks. BMW has supplied a photo reference pack to aid the evaluation.

If there's no sign of cracking and/or leaks, the cooler will be refitted.

If the cooler needed to be cleaned, the EGR (and potentially other components) will also be removed for visual inspection and/or cleaning. These may also be refitted.

The next bit was less precise.

Q : Why would BMW advise the refitting of parts to a vehicle where there has been a higher risk of failure and/or fire regarding vehicles within a specific manufacturing date range, and where the design and manufacture of those parts subsequently changed ?

A : It will all depend upon the results of the inspection, plus a consideration of the vehicle mileage.

Q : Does BMW accept that refitting inspected parts does not necessarily reduce the risk of failure and/or fire ? These old design parts could fail at any time.

A : Cooler failure would normally be preceded by indicative symptoms : loss of coolant; warning lights; odour. Cars do not suddenly burst into flames.

Q : Will the car potentially be required at a later date to eventually fit new parts if this doesn't take place at the first visit ?

A : No real answer.

The answers also partly alluded to higher mileage cars potentially being more likely to have new design EGR and cooler fitted, but also no guarantee of that happening.

Basically, a lot of of if but and maybe.

Basically there are several campaigns currently covering selected B47 and N57 BMW engine variants , depending on what campaign your particular vehicle has against it will determine what will be done now and possibly in the future.

It is messy I wont lie.

Alscoob · 10-04-2018, 06:00 AM

Mine is in today to be 'done' I'll let you know the result when I get it back, which I hope is quickly...... as the X2 118d is not particularly inspiring

Hooded · 10-04-2018, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bob

Basically there are several campaigns currently covering selected B47 and N57 BMW engine variants , depending on what campaign your particular vehicle has against it will determine what will be done now and possibly in the future.

It is messy I wont lie.

I bet the Korean recall is less messy and there are no if's or but's when it comes to changing the parts!

Alscoob · 10-05-2018, 02:57 AM

Well the call from the garage yesterday was pleasing ' All good sir, no issues'

The EGR cooler was clear no cracks or signs of coolant, they cleaned it out anyway together with the pipe, replaced the gaskets and ready to go. I asked if it was one to be changed irrespective of condition and was told no as it is exactly the same as the replacement ones.

So my 330d is now on 60k miles and 2014, so good news in my book.

Hooded · 10-05-2018, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alscoob

Well the call from the garage yesterday was pleasing ' All good sir, no issues'

The EGR cooler was clear no cracks or signs of coolant, they cleaned it out anyway together with the pipe, replaced the gaskets and ready to go. I asked if it was one to be changed irrespective of condition and was told no as it is exactly the same as the replacement ones.

So my 330d is now on 60k miles and 2014, so good news in my book.

Did the current cooler come fitted to the car from the factory in 2014?

SkyJawa · 10-05-2018, 04:32 AM

Anyone with a remap been in yet?

Alscoob · 10-05-2018, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hooded

Did the current cooler come fitted to the car from the factory in 2014?

As best as I know yes. I bought the car 12 months old with 8K miles on it so would think so.

Watsey · 10-05-2018, 04:51 AM

There is a chance that our cars have a full software update as part of the EGR/cooler works, so I emailed Bimmercode to see whether backups could be loaded to restore coding.

Here's the reply :

"if the software is updated at the dealership it is not possible to restore the coding you did, since the backups will not be compatible with the updated software. You would have to redo all the coding you did before one by one."

So make a note of all the coding that you've done, and be prepared to do it again.

Russbmw · 10-05-2018, 05:01 AM

Our 2104 530dGT (53k miles) is in at Coopers Cobham today for the EGR.

A fortnight ago it suddenly drank the contents of the reservoir, and since then the cabin has been getting wafts of diesel fumes. My missus noticed it before i did (my nose is pretty fucked from years of hayfever), but even I could smell it recently.

Did less than 100 miles and the reservoir was on minimum again.

BMW have advised me they have to inspect it first (concurs with others on here) and that due to the enormity of the problem and number of cars affected, the parts are on worldwide backorder and limited stock is available, so BMW are prioritising the worst cases first - and each car/case has to be submitted to BMW for approval before parts are released.

I left the kids seats in the back, so hopefully that will also emphasise we don't really want the kids breathing in diesel fumes in a confined space either.

Will report back later once I've heard from them.

SkyJawa · 10-05-2018, 07:07 AM

Mines booked in for the 23rd, next available courtesy car slot, 2 others had called just before me about same issue!

JD6 · 10-05-2018, 05:39 PM

I caught a bit of a BBC Inside Out programme on Fords catching fire. Apparently their Ecoboost engines leak coolant, overheat and then catch fire. Ford’s solution is not to solve the leak, but to add an alarm to remind you to keep topping up the leaking coolant! Perhaps I won’t complain so much about BMW’s approach...

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b16jsy Private First Class 73 Rep 112 Posts Drives: F10 535i N55 M-Sport 2011 Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Seaham, County Durham. iTrader: (0)	Well my 2013 330d (124k miles) was in at Cooper BMW Sunderland on Friday for it's EGR inspection. According to them, my EGR Cooler has a crack in it letting exhaust gasses escape, BUT this is not part of the recall campaign. They told me they are specifically looking for traces of coolant and coking up of the EGR cooler module itself, and when they inspected mine it was perfectly clear, so they can't replace it as part of the recall. So although the part in question is faulty, they can't cover it's replacement FOC. Just my luck!! They are going to speak with BMW UK over the next day or two and find out if they can offer some sort of goodwill, but personally I doubt that will happen, will keep you updated.... Cheers Joe
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Alscoob Brigadier General 2348 Rep 3,265 Posts Drives: G31 540i M Sport Edition Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Above seems to be the case. Mine is in Thursday and talking to them today I was advised that... "Its the cooler we will be looking at to check that it has no leaks / fluid in it - If it is of the most up to date part number and is OK on inspection we will not change it" - If it is an older part No. and OK we will order a new one and let you know when to come and have it changed. - If it is faulty or with a leak or evidence of coolant (any part number) -we get a replacement as priority but keep your car with us (if we haven't got one to fit) and BMW give you a replacement car until it's repaired. So lets see what happens.
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MDriver1 New Member 0 Rep 11 Posts Drives: F30 330D Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Essex iTrader: (0)	When the egr cooler is replaced is a software update required? I ask as my car has a remap. I have seen one post in this thread from an owner who is also mapped and his seemed to have not been updated but further confirmation would be great.
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Watsey Major General 6458 Rep 8,641 Posts Drives: F31 330D sDrive M Sport Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: On sabbatical. iTrader: (1)	I get the impression that BMW is winging it with this ("it's not a recall") recall. Had another conversation with the supplying dealer today to try and get a still better understanding of the works, parts to be replaced, etc. It was still fuzzy in parts. Cooler, and perhaps the EGR, will be removed for inspection. Will be cleaned if required (soot/sludge build-up). They are specifically looking for signs of cracking and/or leaks. BMW has supplied a photo reference pack to aid the evaluation. If there's no sign of cracking and/or leaks, the cooler will be refitted. If the cooler needed to be cleaned, the EGR (and potentially other components) will also be removed for visual inspection and/or cleaning. These may also be refitted. The next bit was less precise. Q : Why would BMW advise the refitting of parts to a vehicle where there has been a higher risk of failure and/or fire regarding vehicles within a specific manufacturing date range, and where the design and manufacture of those parts subsequently changed ? A : It will all depend upon the results of the inspection, plus a consideration of the vehicle mileage. Q : Does BMW accept that refitting inspected parts does not necessarily reduce the risk of failure and/or fire ? These old design parts could fail at any time. A : Cooler failure would normally be preceded by indicative symptoms : loss of coolant; warning lights; odour. Cars do not suddenly burst into flames. The answers also partly alluded to higher mileage cars potentially being more likely to have new design EGR and cooler fitted, but also no guarantee of that happening. Basically, a lot of of if but and maybe. __________________ Current : F31 330sD, remapped, Ohlins Road & Track, Millway camber plates, Quaife LSD, Stoptech brakes + Pagid RSL1 pads all round, Weichers front strut brace, Eibach front & rear anti-roll bars, Michelin MP4S.
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Watsey Major General 6458 Rep 8,641 Posts Drives: F31 330D sDrive M Sport Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: On sabbatical. iTrader: (1)	I get the impression that BMW is winging it with this ("it's not a recall") recall. Had another conversation with the supplying dealer today to try and get a still better understanding of the works, parts to be replaced, etc. It was still fuzzy in parts. Cooler, and perhaps the EGR, will be removed for inspection. Will be cleaned if required (soot/sludge build-up). They are specifically looking for signs of cracking and/or leaks. BMW has supplied a photo reference pack to aid the evaluation. If there's no sign of cracking and/or leaks, the cooler will be refitted. If the cooler needed to be cleaned, the EGR (and potentially other components) will also be removed for visual inspection and/or cleaning. These may also be refitted. The next bit was less precise. Q : Why would BMW advise the refitting of parts to a vehicle where there has been a higher risk of failure and/or fire regarding vehicles within a specific manufacturing date range, and where the design and manufacture of those parts subsequently changed ? A : It will all depend upon the results of the inspection, plus a consideration of the vehicle mileage. Q : Does BMW accept that refitting inspected parts does not necessarily reduce the risk of failure and/or fire ? These old design parts could fail at any time. A : Cooler failure would normally be preceded by indicative symptoms : loss of coolant; warning lights; odour. Cars do not suddenly burst into flames. Q : Will the car potentially be required at a later date to eventually fit new parts if this doesn't take place at the first visit ? A : No real answer. The answers also partly alluded to higher mileage cars potentially being more likely to have new design EGR and cooler fitted, but also no guarantee of that happening. Basically, a lot of of if but and maybe. __________________ Current : F31 330sD, remapped, Ohlins Road & Track, Millway camber plates, Quaife LSD, Stoptech brakes + Pagid RSL1 pads all round, Weichers front strut brace, Eibach front & rear anti-roll bars, Michelin MP4S.
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Alscoob Brigadier General 2348 Rep 3,265 Posts Drives: G31 540i M Sport Edition Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Well the call from the garage yesterday was pleasing ' All good sir, no issues' The EGR cooler was clear no cracks or signs of coolant, they cleaned it out anyway together with the pipe, replaced the gaskets and ready to go. I asked if it was one to be changed irrespective of condition and was told no as it is exactly the same as the replacement ones. So my 330d is now on 60k miles and 2014, so good news in my book.
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Russbmw Colonel 657 Rep 2,445 Posts Drives: 2018 630iGT sport Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Caloundra, Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2014 BMW 640i [0.00] 2014 BMW 530d GT [0.00] 2017 Kawasaki Z1000SX [0.00]	Our 2104 530dGT (53k miles) is in at Coopers Cobham today for the EGR. A fortnight ago it suddenly drank the contents of the reservoir, and since then the cabin has been getting wafts of diesel fumes. My missus noticed it before i did (my nose is pretty fucked from years of hayfever), but even I could smell it recently. Did less than 100 miles and the reservoir was on minimum again. BMW have advised me they have to inspect it first (concurs with others on here) and that due to the enormity of the problem and number of cars affected, the parts are on worldwide backorder and limited stock is available, so BMW are prioritising the worst cases first - and each car/case has to be submitted to BMW for approval before parts are released. I left the kids seats in the back, so hopefully that will also emphasise we don't really want the kids breathing in diesel fumes in a confined space either. Will report back later once I've heard from them. __________________
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