[KCH1984]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

I wonder how M division managed that trick, interesting.

I did look this up as I thought surely not, but the X3M is heavier than both M lite models. The 40i being the lightest.

An element of that must be in the engine and diffs possibly, and the fact there's more standard kit, bigger wheels etc?

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

I wonder how M division managed that trick, interesting.

They strengthen the X3 chassis for the X3M and it adds weight plus the M differential, I think out of all the M cars ever there have been very few that have been lighter than the non M cars.

e46 CSL is one that springs to mind (lighter) the E30 M3 was heavier than a 325i as an example same with the e36/e46/e92 all being heavier than the 328/330i/335i etc...M5 the same always the heaviest car in the 5er line up and the F80 M3 was heavier than the 340i.

A lightweight M car is the exception rather than the rule.

[Lorcan]

Originally Posted by JNW1

From the observations of some it sounds like it would be quite difficult to make the ride of the standard car any less comfortable (although for balance it should be said there are others who think it's fine and people just need to recognise it's an M-car and man-up! ).

As EVO have also been somewhat lukewarm about the M340i do ACS have any chassis modifications on the way for that?!

Yes there is a range of suspension products on the way for the M340i - probably spring kit, sports suspension and RS suspension, as with previous 3 series, although we don't know exactly what will be offered yet.

EVO aren't usually the kind of guys that need to be told to "man up", they are quite used to M cars, but here's what they say about the X3 M:

“Rides like a Victorian ox-cart being slowly towed over a furrowed field in mid-summer.”

“Excruciating ride quality, numb handling, dull powertrain. Did we mention the ride?”

Two stars out of five...

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Yeah +1 on Damper settings, just gone out and checked my ones...

And you think it has made a difference Mike?

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Lorcan

EVO aren't usually the kind of guys that need to be told to "man up", they are quite used to M cars, but here's what they say about the X3 M:

“Rides like a Victorian ox-cart being slowly towed over a furrowed field in mid-summer.”

“Excruciating ride quality, numb handling, dull powertrain. Did we mention the ride?”

Two stars out of five...

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by Wills2

And you think it has made a difference Mike?

Uh no idea yet...

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Uh no idea yet...

I'm very sceptical that you can alter the dynamics of the dampers, outside of the comfort/sport/sport+ myself.

[dazzapb]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I wonder if they drove it or just read the top gear review? I just am at a loss how they found this to be the case.
Auto car etc have a completely different viewpoint

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by dazzapb

I wonder if they drove it or just read the top gear review? I just am at a loss how they found this to be the case.
Auto car etc have a completely different viewpoint

The dull powertrain is a beauty, they really didn't like it did they.

[dazzapb]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I'm very sceptical that you can alter the dynamics of the dampers, outside of the comfort/sport/sport+ myself.

Hi wills & moff at a loss here? Check damper settings? My TPM is set for partial is this what yo mean?

[dazzapb]

Originally Posted by Wills2

The dull powertrain is a beauty, they really didn't like it did they.

Yep seem to have it in for it, the drivetrain is amazing engine so smooth and it's an absolute rocket that likes a drink and doesn't make too much noise. Love it

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by Wills2

The dull powertrain is a beauty, they really didn't like it did they.

Next they will be saying that the "Moff Orange" as its now called is a dullish red...

[JD6]

Originally Posted by dazzapb

Yep seem to have it in for it, the drivetrain is amazing engine so smooth and it's an absolute rocket that likes a drink and doesn't make too much noise. Love it

While I didn't like the ride quality, so I understand their criticism of that, I really don't get the criticism of the engine. To me it was a fantastic engine, far better than the one in last gen F80 M3. The reviews which focused on the lack of low end torque are missing the point of an M engine which wants to be revved.

[dazzapb]

Originally Posted by JD6

While I didn't like the ride quality, so I understand their criticism of that, I really don't get the criticism of the engine. To me it was a fantastic engine, far better than the one in last gen F80 M3. The reviews which focused on the lack of low end torque are missing the point of an M engine which wants to be revved.

Agree I would prefer a softer ride but the fancy put down is over the top. Having said that if someone does bring to market a Dinan type shockware flash or 500 quid change to suspension I may consider

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by Wills2

They strengthen the X3 chassis for the X3M and it adds weight plus the M differential, I think out of all the M cars ever there have been very few that have been lighter than the non M cars.

e46 CSL is one that springs to mind (lighter) the E30 M3 was heavier than a 325i as an example same with the e36/e46/e92 all being heavier than the 328/330i/335i etc...M5 the same always the heaviest car in the 5er line up and the F80 M3 was heavier than the 340i.

A lightweight M car is the exception rather than the rule.

Cheers, I did start to wonder after I posted, shows what a thorough re-engineering exercise a proper M car is.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I'm very sceptical that you can alter the dynamics of the dampers, outside of the comfort/sport/sport+ myself.

I believe it's a nice iDrive feature to advise you of the best/recommended tyre pressures.

Personally I don't believe it adjusts anything on the car.

However it would not be the first time I was wrong.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by JustChris

I believe it's a nice iDrive feature to advise you of the best/recommended tyre pressures.

Personally I don't believe it adjusts anything on the car.

However it would not be the first time I was wrong.

I read the manual and it doesn't mention anything (although the English used is often quite undescriptive) I did the reset tonight it was already on partial load anyway, as you say selecting the load of the car is more about showing you a different recommended pressure.

But I've been wrong many times, but it did feel softer just to contradict myself.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by dazzapb

Yep seem to have it in for it, the drivetrain is amazing engine so smooth and it's an absolute rocket that likes a drink and doesn't make too much noise. Love it

I know it's really odd, the engine is brilliant, sounds good (fake or not) really responsive and shit loads of power.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by dazzapb

Hi wills & moff at a loss here? Check damper settings? My TPM is set for partial is this what yo mean?

Yes, not sure it changes anything Moff seems to think it does though.

[moff]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Yes, not sure it changes anything Moff seems to think it does though.

I read it somewhere on the X3M FB group... can't find it now, might be wrong too

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by moff

I read it somewhere on the X3M FB group... can't find it now, might be wrong too

All part of the journey with a new car, I did think it felt softer though, I put it in sport mode last night and I never really use anything else but "comfort"

[JustChris]

Honestly, no way its changing anything in Adaptive Suspension IMHO

https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showt...=tyre+pressure

There was a really early thread on it on the G01 board. Woudl be excellent if it did, I think it must be placebo, I recall thinking the same.

A WTF, lets just say it adapts suspension too and move on