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Your comments are as valid as the BMW owners who have judged the ATS based only on it's looks without having driven it. I'm happy that you're happy. |
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11-22-2012, 12:00 AM | #156 | |
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But in this day and age it seems one's opinion is fact, for all. |
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11-22-2012, 01:03 AM | #157 | |
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New technology: "something called "Direct Injection" and "Variable valve timing!" " .... LOL LOL LOL presenting a BMW around the Honda dealership ??? The camera man has just some issues knowing where to focus his phone "should i focus on the car or my stardom-bound buddy ?"
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11-22-2012, 01:27 AM | #159 |
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Liebermann was joking with the München/Stuttgart stuff.
Anyway:Liebermann is entitled to his opinion whether I/you/we like it or not. It's a free world where I come from. It's not a big fuzz. Caddy looks nice too imo . So why not? Maybe if I drove them I'd still choose the F30 or the Benz or even the Caddy. But I guess I'd keep the 335i. Liebermann stated the Caddy was the best in the bends and the lightest? That would be a YES for me. I really think the F30 lost some of it's sportiness, tossability. Choose the car YOU like, not what the neighbours like. It's YOUR car/decision after all. Nice to see many positive writeups about the F30/BMW in general, but sometimes you also have to swallow the less possitive comments and still enjoy your F30/BMW. Cheers Robin |
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Sorry, but you are the annoying one for being so biased. |
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Carlos Lagos needs to do these Head to Heads. This guy was just too vague. Lagos has a bit more passion and knowledge IMO when it comes to comparos.
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this guy is a joke.. it's funny how people take him seriously because he does not even know how to use the command system at all. not to mention that looks like a base c350.. no led headlamps..
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I guess that praising the sane leading brand generation after the other becomes boring for both reviewers and the public... It just becomes so predictable.. Though this guy could be honest about his opinion.
Anyway, it's good to know that Caddy has made it, good for consumers who favor the brand. As for sports car enthusiasts, BMW fans in specific, the show goes on. I have driven the F30 335 and its awesome! The M-sport arrives next month in the Middle East and I'll be picking up mine |
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11-22-2012, 08:06 AM | #167 | |
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I tried to make it scientific.
I drove the 8at n55 and my 6mt n20 on the same loop where I focus on economy. I got: N55-35.5mpg N20-39.9mpg No hypermiling, speeds of 75-80 mixed with back roads. Quote:
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11-22-2012, 08:20 AM | #168 | |
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Kudos to those few who have driven the cars and have tried to evaluate them with an open mind. |
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If you believe that the 8-speed automatic gives the 328i worse mileage than the manual, but magically gives the 335i better mileage, but only in the USA, well that's your choice. However, the difference is really not that much, and certainly wouldn't have influenced my decision. As for any of this 328i fanboy nonsense, I've already stated quite publically that I would MUCH rather have the 335i, but I can't afford it. I'd much rather have more power versus a tiny edge in steering or mileage. It's no contest for me. Also, I'm not a boy, and therefore can't be a fanboy. What am I then? Extremely analytical, and more than able to admit when one product is superior to another product within one area or another. I bought an xDrive, which features both worse mileage and worse handling, and I'm not shy about admitting that. But it was still the right vehicle for me. But this thread is about Cadillac, and what they've done. And bravo to them for pushing things that far! I'm interested to see what the Aussies will do in terms of building a nice Holden with these parts. |
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11-22-2012, 08:37 AM | #170 |
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And hopefully if there are a bunch more reviews that show the 3-series getting bested in steering or handling or whatever, it will kick the BMW engineers into a higher gear, and we'll get not only better products in the future, but maybe some nice bolt-ons for the current series.
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11-22-2012, 08:57 AM | #171 |
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A few things I noticed when I drove the ATS that are not offered in the review:
I have driven all 3 of these exact cars, albeit not on a windy backroad, but in a normal city and a normal highway. In other words, I drove then the way I'd be driving them if I owned them. 1. The ATS is loud. Unsettlingly so. The disparity between normal driving engine noise and hard-on-the-throttle engine noise is significant. As in "wow, where'd that come from" kind of noise. It felt as if BMW, knowing people wanted to hear their engine, found a way to insulate the cabin from noise while also allowing enough in to satisfy the driver and Cadillac just kinda said "well, people like engine noise so let's get rid of the insulation between the engine and the cabin, that'll give 'em what they want and save some weight, two birds with one stone, yeehaw!" It is not a deal breaker but it's there. Think of it this way: when you hear a great home theatre system turned up loud, you know it's loud but it doesn't hurt your ears because it is tuned well and despite the volume it sounds good...but with a crappier system it's like "damn, turn that down!". I felt the Caddy's engine noise was the latter. 2. ATS back seats leave a lot to be desired. I am 6'1 and sat in the back seat behind the driver's seat, with the driver's seat where I had it when driving. My knees were not touching the back of the seat, but my hair was brushing the roof. I also found the butt part of the backseat to be too angled in relation to the back part...it gave me the impression that you'd be sitting in an acute angle. But maybe I'm being obtuse... 3. Trunk space...small. Definitely smaller than the Merc and the BMW. You'd have trouble fitting 2 sacks of golf bats in there, and you'd certainly have to remove your drivers. 4. I don't like the exterior design. It is a shrunken Cadillac. If you're not a fan of their design philosophy, you won't like this car. That said, it is the best looking vehicle in their line up...but it still is not as nice looking at the C class or 3 series. Maybe the ats-v will be a bi tmore appealing. 5. CUE is bad. All that hype about it being revolutionary is bogus because it is slow and makes you take your eyes off the road. Touch screens are not good...they get dirty and they distract the driver. Liebrman is right...it needs to be as good or better then the ipad in terms of reactiveness and ease of use. It's not even close. It's the Pentium II of ipads. CUE is Paperboy and iDrive is Call of Duty. For the purposes of this test drive...the windy back road with no other traffic, maybe the ATS is the best. BUt most of us drive on normal straight roads and normal highways with lots of other cars and when we are doign that we don't want the jarring of a stiff chassis, and we can't drive hard enough to notice body roll or chassis stiffness. The reviewer seemed to ignore all the interior stuff he spends the first half of the video explaining, and makes his decision almost entirely based on the backroad experience. I would argue that the difference in driving experience between the 3 cars is far less than the difference in the interiors...which is a lot different. So if driving dynamics in the ATS are a 9/10 and in the 335i it's 8/10, the cabin experience in the ATS is like 6/10 and the 335i is 9/10. Cumulatively, in my books anyway, that would give the 335i the win. Last edited by jtuds; 11-22-2012 at 09:02 AM.. |
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But HP is not everything its all about how do u get that power to the wheel and how do u handle that power when its there. If put on the track those 2 will be no competition for the 335i and the only real competition for the 335i was not in this comparison which is the Audi S4. IMHO this comparo was for those who want to do some back road cruising and will never track their cars! When I go Autocrossing I dont see any MB's or Cadillac's but I do see 335i's and S4's
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Cadillac mang!!!
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I do agree with you on this. I've owned 6 consecutive BMWs and its been downhill since my 2002 E46 with sport pkg, but they were still better than the competition, but maybe no longer.
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Ever sinced I added my different wheel setup (better offset IMO) and a few mods to get the look just right ... I get compliments from random folks every single day (and this isn't fabricated). And if its not guys giving me the thumbs up as they drive by ... its people staring in envy at my blue brake calipers (and you're probably one of them). I would pick my 335i M Sport over any of these cars in a heart beat. I would pick my car asthetically ... and performance is not even a comparison. After reading these posts from folks who have never driven any of the cars in this comparison ... or have driven F30's w/o the appropriate options (asthetics included), you should do yourself a favour and save your worthless dribble, because its as valuable as a pile of sh*t w/ flies on it.
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A young friend of mine just bought the ats 4cyl turbo black on black - i actually love the car, well designed great luxury and nice small size, this is Cadillacs first youthful car and it will be a winner
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