[DougMcL]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

Johnson's oven-ready trade deal is going well.

You are lucky you don't live in Northern Ireland. Will GB suppliers just say FU as they don't want to complete customs paperwork?

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by DougMcL

You are lucky you don't live in Northern Ireland. Will GB suppliers just say FU as they don't want to complete customs paperwork?

Beats me how anyone could be taken in by this useless c**t

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/sta...256710658?s=09

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by DougMcL

You are lucky you don't live in Northern Ireland. Will GB suppliers just say FU as they don't want to complete customs paperwork?

Don't worry worry we'll do an airlift, ich bin ein belfaster.

[DougMcL]

Did anyone else find this amusing. I'm trying to work out whether Boris couldn't give a shit, is deeply uncomfortable or hasn't even read the internal market bill...

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by DougMcL

Did anyone else find this amusing. I'm trying to work out whether Boris couldn't give a shit, is deeply uncomfortable or hasn't even read the internal market bill...

Not sure I find it amusing, more deeply depressing.

And I suspect becuase a) He couldn't give a shit, c) he hasn't read the bill

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by Bryans69

Not sure I find it amusing, more deeply depressing.

And I suspect becuase a) He couldn't give a shit, c) he hasn't read the bill

Shame Ed was not this good when he was running the Labour party..may have had a decent opposition.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Shame Ed was not this good when he was running the Labour party..may have had a decent opposition.

I’m not sure he was that good with this.

It was a powerful, easy, message to get across, but his delivery is still weak and he stumbled about a little.

I think he’s a decent politician, and probably pretty bright, but he’s not leadership material. The wrong Milliband was selected several years ago in my opinion and ultimately it allowed the Labour Party to get to the awful position it ended up in last year.

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

I’m not sure he was that good with this.

It was a powerful, easy, message to get across, but his delivery is still weak and he stumbled about a little.

I think he’s a decent politician, and probably pretty bright, but he’s not leadership material. The wrong Milliband was selected several years ago in my opinion and ultimately it allowed the Labour Party to get to the awful position it ended up in last year.

Best performance I have seen from him. Fully agree about his Bro. The Unions wanted their man and like you say that has led to the Corbyn dark years and the rest is history.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Shame Ed was not this good when he was running the Labour party..may have had a decent opposition.

I also thought Miliband did well yesterday although you could argue he was shooting at an open goal with the Internal Market Bill; in my view that's a daft and unnecessary piece of proposed legislation that's pretty much impossible to defend.

[DougMcL]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

I’m not sure he was that good with this.

It was a powerful, easy, message to get across, but his delivery is still weak and he stumbled about a little.

I think he’s a decent politician, and probably pretty bright, but he’s not leadership material. The wrong Milliband was selected several years ago in my opinion and ultimately it allowed the Labour Party to get to the awful position it ended up in last year.

I think I agree with you. His performance was however excellent compared to any of the useless ministers we have at present. Which is probably why it stood out.

His speech impediment is probably what failed him most. Mrs Thatcher had elocution lessons to sound less shrill...

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by DougMcL

Did anyone else find this amusing. I'm trying to work out whether Boris couldn't give a shit, is deeply uncomfortable or hasn't even read the internal market bill...

Yes, thought Milliband did well although exposing BoZo's lack of grasp of the details isn't that hard for someone with his experience, and Starmer does it regularly. What surprised me more was BoZo's complete lack of response, other than to slide further down the back of his seat.
I can't see BoZo lasting, the Tories will turn on him. He's lazy, dim, dishonest and incompetent, and an increasing liability as a consequence. His govt's handling of the coronavirus crisis has been appalling and leading us to what would now seem to be an inevitable No Deal Brexit is unforgivable.
Good riddance to him - an utter c*nt and the worst PM in my lifetime, not to mention his talentless cabinet.

[Wills2]

OMG:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54260470

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Wills2

OMG:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54260470

Bonkers

[Bibbles]

Will I need my blue passport to get into Kent now?

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

The lorry park England.

Presumably similar delays coming the other way. And why the 10% tariff might be only the start of the rise in cost of goods.

[TimMcC]

Anyone know the difference between a prediction and an illustration of what could be reasonably expected?

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by TimMcC

Anyone know the difference between a prediction and an illustration of what could be reasonably expected?

You would imagine they’re both guesswork.

I work for a company that carries out 3,000 HGV channel crossings per week. And as you can imagine our customers are asking us for concrete predictions of what will happen. Doesn’t matter how much research you do, how much you prepare, you can’t know. We won’t be approaching any border with incorrect paperwork, but that'll be for nothing if loads of others do.

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by Wills2

OMG:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54260470

In the words of one Twitter commentator:

The govt has 3 months to build
- a 380-mile border in Kent
- a mechanism for policing it
- an internal passport system
- a software service
- admin and complaints process

for 2.6m lorries each year
It had twice as long to work out some average A Level scores. And ...
Good luck!

In my words: they are making this up as they go along, literally. Sunlit uplands, eh!?

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

We won’t be approaching any border with incorrect paperwork

Which implies there's no reason for any competent logistics company to be any different; after all, if your company knows what paperwork's required - and is confident they'll be able to have it all in place in good time - why shouldn't other logistics companies be able to do the same? That being the case any long queues in Kent will presumably be the fault of the loads of others who haven't got their act together (or, perhaps equally likely, the French being awkward in order to try to make a point!).

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by JNW1

Which implies there's no reason for any competent logistics company to be any different; after all, if your company knows what paperwork's required - and is confident they'll be able to have it all in place in good time - why shouldn't other logistics companies be able to do the same? That being the case any long queues in Kent will presumably be the fault of the loads of others who haven't got their act together (or, perhaps equally likely, the French being awkward in order to try to make a point!).

I think that’s a bit simplistic. There’s going to be misunderstanding from customers about what is needed from them and hauliers that don’t have the huge resources we do might fall foul of new regulations.

Many will also trust their customers to know what they’re doing and many don’t have a clue yet.

We still don’t know for sure what will happen, but I can’t see it going well initially. And pointing the finger at the French for any delays seems a little ironic to me. We’ve dug this hole, let’s hope we can climb out of it.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

I think that’s a bit simplistic. There’s going to be misunderstanding from customers about what is needed from them and hauliers that don’t have the huge resources we do might fall foul of new regulations.

Many will also trust their customers to know what they’re doing and many don’t have a clue yet.

We still don’t know for sure what will happen, but I can’t see it going well initially. And pointing the finger at the French for any delays seems a little ironic to me. We’ve dug this hole, let’s hope we can climb out of it.

I could be being simplistic as I've never been involved in exporting goods from the UK; however, I'd have thought the paperwork requirements for sending goods to various countries would be relatively easy to get at should you need to do so? Obviously a large company like yours will have dedicated specialists who know the rules - or at least have the information at their fingertips - whereas that might not be the case for a smaller organisation. However, if I had a business exporting to the EU I'd have made sure the company had its ducks in a row and was prepared regardless of whether or not there's a trade deal - it's not like there hasn't been time to think about it!

The French comment was made ever so slightly tongue in cheek but I suspect they'll take great delight in making things as difficult as possible, especially if FTA discussions end in acrimony. You only have to look at how their navy's behaving with migrants attempting to cross the channel to get a feel for how it might go....

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by JNW1

I could be being simplistic as I've never been involved in exporting goods from the UK; however, I'd have thought the paperwork requirements for sending goods to various countries would be relatively easy to get at should you need to do so? Obviously a large company like yours will have dedicated specialists who know the rules - or at least have the information at their fingertips - whereas that might not be the case for a smaller organisation. However, if I had a business exporting to the EU I'd have made sure the company had its ducks in a row and was prepared regardless of whether or not there's a trade deal - it's not like there hasn't been time to think about it!

The French comment was made ever so slightly tongue in cheek but I suspect they'll take great delight in making things as difficult as possible, especially if FTA discussions end in acrimony. You only have to look at how their navy's behaving with migrants attempting to cross the channel to get a feel for how it might go....

Ok, well if everyone does what you think it will be ok I guess and my two penneth from inside the industry won’t mean much.

There isn’t enough road capacity around for everyone to just move to reputable carriers only. There are plenty of owner drivers and small businesses on both sides of the channel that make up a sizeable percentage of capacity. In addition to our 3,000 crossings a week we probably subcontract another 5,000 loads to over 500 other big and small hauliers. We are working through making sure that our regular carriers know what they need to do. But a small piece of work it isn’t. And it isn’t free. I’ve said before, a 10% tariff might be the least of our concerns in the short term.

If it was simple our customers wouldn’t have large Brexit teams in place all pulling their hair out trying cover off all possible negative scenarios should we end up with no deal. Tariffs are easy. Two day delays at ports for just in time supply chains are not.