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      02-11-2019, 04:57 PM   #419
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Yeah, it's still 18.3" longer than a Miata and 1,050 pounds heavier. Apparently the internet is full of fools.
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      02-13-2019, 01:51 PM   #420
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These small sport cars are a means of escape. During the 80's and 90's, we didn't have internet so these cars were popular back then. Now you got internet, video games, augmented reality, and so on so the need for these cars are no longer something you have to have. To be honest, personally, I don't really care for these cars as much as before.

The future whether you like it or not is in electric, autonomous driving.
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      02-13-2019, 02:50 PM   #421
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These small sport cars are a means of escape. During the 80's and 90's, we didn't have internet so these cars were popular back then. Now you got internet, video games, augmented reality, and so on so the need for these cars are no longer something you have to have. To be honest, personally, I don't really care for these cars as much as before.

The future whether you like it or not is in electric, autonomous driving.
Maybe for my kid, not for me though. I'll drive a manual, ICE car until this whole operation shuts down.
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      02-14-2019, 11:28 AM   #422
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Maybe for my kid, not for me though. I'll drive a manual, ICE car until this whole operation shuts down.
Well the young generations are probably more into iPhones, tweeter, fb ... I don't think they think about cars the way people do in the 80's or 90's. For them cars are basically a mean to get from one place to another, and even better if they don't have to do the driving.

To me fully autonomous is still a long way from now. I don't think it's the technology. Maybe inherently it's not possible since software can't really 100% emulate the way our brains think when we drive.
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      02-14-2019, 12:08 PM   #423
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Well the young generations are probably more into iPhones, tweeter, fb ... I don't think they think about cars the way people do in the 80's or 90's. For them cars are basically a mean to get from one place to another, and even better if they don't have to do the driving.

To me fully autonomous is still a long way from now. I don't think it's the technology. Maybe inherently it's not possible since software can't really 100% emulate the way our brains think when we drive.
In general this may be true, but my 11 yr old would beg to differ as well a few of his friends. He wants nothing more than to drive a manual shit box for his first car (bc I won't let him get a RWD Nissan anything that he wants).
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      02-14-2019, 02:27 PM   #424
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Well the young generations are probably more into iPhones, tweeter, fb ... I don't think they think about cars the way people do in the 80's or 90's. For them cars are basically a mean to get from one place to another, and even better if they don't have to do the driving.

To me fully autonomous is still a long way from now. I don't think it's the technology. Maybe inherently it's not possible since software can't really 100% emulate the way our brains think when we drive.
Not really. A growing number of young people like stuff from the 80s and 90s. All you need to do is go to a song from the 90s and see the comments. Kids are all saying how they wish they grew up back then, 80s synth music, and those colors they used.

The human heart is still the human heart. The same things drive them that drove you when you were in your teens - the need to be free and wild.
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      02-17-2019, 11:34 PM   #425
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      02-18-2019, 12:43 AM   #426
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The rear end is just too overly styled. The original NSX was designed by an Italian designer. Maybe Toyota should have done the same.
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      02-18-2019, 08:03 PM   #427
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The rear end is just too overly styled. The original NSX was designed by an Italian designer. Maybe Toyota should have done the same.
I agree. That said many cars are. Even the latest BMWs are that way too these days.
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I own many mkiv Supras now and would never really think of adding this new one to the stable.

as ive watched the supra world for so many years, now the cars prices explode. and the claims of dealers having holy grails of the mkiv supra world have come out here and there. seems funny to me. as I've watched this world so closely for years. the holy grail sits on top of a lift beside a loft full of memorabilia from Toyota and the supra line up. the holy grail of all Toyota Supras is this 1 car. and why? well these are the facts of this car.

titled: GETRAG GEAR CORPS INC.
93.5 hardtop 1 of 360 hardtops in the USA
lowest milage hardtop known to exist 8140 miles current
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this is the car of the owner of the company that made the transmissions for any and all 6 speed turbo Supras. he made the trans that was put into each and every car and then sold thru Toyota. this was his personal car. from t=his personal collection. the car is documented and real as can be. she sits comfortable in her home.
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      02-21-2019, 11:01 AM   #430
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Those wheels are nearly identical to my 128i 16" wheels:
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Not sure if posted on here already -too many pages to look through but snapped a couple of pics at the Toronto auto show.
Have to say, looks a lot better (and smaller) irl!

Sorry for the mediocre pics...
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The Toyota Supra will start at around $50K. The M2 competition is about $59K with quite a bit more power. I think the M2 is more compelling.
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Not sure if posted on here already -too many pages to look through but snapped a couple of pics at the Toronto auto show.
Have to say, looks a lot better (and smaller) irl!

Sorry for the mediocre pics...
I thought those were great pictures thanks for posting them.
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The Toyota Supra will start at around $50K. The M2 competition is about $59K with quite a bit more power. I think the M2 is more compelling.
18% isn't exactly insignificant. Dealers have $12k off of Grand Sport and Z06 Corvettes at the moment. That would seem to represent a much larger and direct threat to the Supra.
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18% isn't exactly insignificant. Dealers have $12k off of Grand Sport and Z06 Corvettes at the moment. That would seem to represent a much larger and direct threat to the Supra.
Most people will probably finance. Let's say you put down 20K, the rest will finance for 60 months, so the extra 10K won't be that significant. Besides, the M2 may cost 10K more, but I think it is quite a bit more than 10K better vs. the Toyota.
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18% isn't exactly insignificant. Dealers have $12k off of Grand Sport and Z06 Corvettes at the moment. That would seem to represent a much larger and direct threat to the Supra.
With the C8 Corvette coming out inventory of the C7 are up at dealer lots. Incentives and discounts not to mention good used ones available at decent prices for what you get.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.autoblog.com/amp/2019/02/20/chevy-corvette-unsold-seven-months-supply/
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Not sure if posted on here already -too many pages to look through but snapped a couple of pics at the Toronto auto show.
Have to say, looks a lot better (and smaller) irl!

Sorry for the mediocre pics...
It looks a lot better in your pics than the ultra up close marketing shots.
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It looks a lot better in your pics than the ultra up close marketing shots.
lol...that was exactly my feeling when i saw it in person...looked a heck of a lot better than the marketing pics I had seen out there. IIRC i even commented on bimmerpost how much i didnt like the look of it.

I guess that can be said for most cars though....i definitely liked the look of my F87 IRL vs photos i had to rely on when i purchased the car blind.
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Kinda funky looking with the smaller rims and winter skins. Not really crazy about the car in black either.
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The Toyota Supra will start at around $50K. The M2 competition is about $59K with quite a bit more power. I think the M2 is more compelling.
Perhaps. But it may depend upon options. BMW's once optioned out usually go up more significantly (relatively speaking) than Toyotas.

I think the pricing comparison has to be individualized to what a buyer/lessee wants and how he will use the car.
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