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      10-21-2019, 05:05 AM   #45
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https://drivetribe.com/p/f1-concern-...RzOSiEdYe_DP8g

This is a good explanation with some good speculation in the comments.

Since maybe 5 races ago, Ferrari has some newfound power, seemingly good for the claimed 60-90hp that burning oil gives.

Ferrari has had to play catch up to Mercedes with their split turbo design (turbine on one half of the engine and compressor on the other side with a very long spindle). Merc has been more competitive due to lower charge temps from this design.

Teams have been trying to introduce more oil into the charge for a while and there had been reports throughout the season that Ferrari has had oil burning smoke and smell, and per the comments of the article, they could be playing with spindle designs or oiling of the compressor.

If this is clarified and Merc can take advantage of this, they can stack this on top of their already better charge temps.

It’s really difficult to keep track of all of the FIA rules now. Verstappen is the only thing that keeps this sport interesting.
That can only happen if Merc protests which I somehow doubt; they have been pecking away about nearly everything they don't like or challenges their questionable tech advances.
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It can't be controlled by tech yes.
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If there is one team in F1 that will cheat or ‘accidentally infringe on the rules’, it will be Ferrari. And if anyone here believes that this is an uncontrolled injection of oil into the combustion process, they are a fool.
True, it cannot be controlled explicitly by tech, but considering that oil is in the IC, the main way it can get there is either through the compressor side of the turbo or crankcase ventilation, which can be 'engineered' deliberately. The loophole will either be exploited by others or stopped, which is less of an engineering win for Ferrari.



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Essex Lotus twin chassis back in the early 80's? come on that was a blatant cheat machine at the time of ground effect as bad as the fan car of Brabham in '78.
I agree with you but I do think it's tone deaf to call Ferrari a no-funny-business, nose to the grindstone company. They remove you from preferred customer lists if you publish dyno results and journalists have been saying for a while now that Ferrari press cars feel better than the production vehicles (road cars, I know). The company ethos seems similar across divisions. I think they get a lot of goodwill from the FIA because they are such a legendary heritage company, and draw so many to the sport. But they are the tattletale team.

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Most likely Horner and Red Bull/Honda, they were in a much tighter battle for second in constructors points with Ferrari at the break. When Ferrari started their new found pace.
I agree

I'm gonna be really upset if 3rd place gets taken from Verstappen, the growth he's displayed as a driver is seriously impressive. Went from "Crashstappen" to being more consistent than Vettel.

But there's much more wrong with Ferrari than engineering, they would be competitive with adequate pit and driver strategy.

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Don't play it myself though you'll find all F1 drivers train on something similar regularly to keep their tactics competitive.
It's true! Verstappen and others are on iRacing.

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True, it cannot be controlled explicitly by tech, but considering that oil is in the IC, the main way it can get there is either through the compressor side of the turbo or crankcase ventilation, which can be 'engineered' deliberately. The loophole will either be exploited by others or stopped, which is less of an engineering win for Ferrari.





I agree with you but I do think it's tone deaf to call Ferrari a no-funny-business, nose to the grindstone company. They remove you from preferred customer lists if you publish dyno results and journalists have been saying for a while now that Ferrari press cars feel better than the production vehicles (road cars, I know). The company ethos seems similar across divisions. I think they get a lot of goodwill from the FIA because they are such a legendary heritage company, and draw so many to the sport. But they are the tattletale team.



I agree

I'm gonna be really upset if 3rd place gets taken from Verstappen, the growth he's displayed as a driver is seriously impressive. Went from "Crashstappen" to being more consistent than Vettel.

But there's much more wrong with Ferrari than engineering, they would be competitive with adequate pit and driver strategy.



It's true! Verstappen and others are on iRacing.
iRacing.. Mercedes World in Surrey have something like that.
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https://drivetribe.com/p/f1-concern-...RzOSiEdYe_DP8g

This is a good explanation with some good speculation in the comments.

Since maybe 5 races ago, Ferrari has some newfound power, seemingly good for the claimed 60-90hp that burning oil gives.

Ferrari has had to play catch up to Mercedes with their split turbo design (turbine on one half of the engine and compressor on the other side with a very long spindle). Merc has been more competitive due to lower charge temps from this design.

Teams have been trying to introduce more oil into the charge for a while and there had been reports throughout the season that Ferrari has had oil burning smoke and smell, and per the comments of the article, they could be playing with spindle designs or oiling of the compressor.

If this is clarified and Merc can take advantage of this, they can stack this on top of their already better charge temps.

Itís really difficult to keep track of all of the FIA rules now. Verstappen is the only thing that keeps this sport interesting.
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MAX:Numero Uno in spicing up F1.
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MAX:Numero Uno in spicing up F1.
Ohhh...Absolutely . As for next weekend in Mexico , MAX won in 2017 and 2018 in Mexico .

2019 ?
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Ohhh...Absolutely . As for next weekend in Mexico , MAX won in 2017 and 2018 in Mexico .

2019 ?
MAX thrives in high altitudes.
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MAX thrives in high altitudes.
Let us hope my friend . From the latest , MAX fears the Ferrari Jet-Mode. Lewis too !
The Ferrari Jet-Mode is burning grapefruit and strawberry juice !

=> https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/3...uel-smells-of/
=>https://f1-insider.com/en/formula1/f...gasoline-2019/

Well....
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Let us hope my friend . From the latest , MAX fears the Ferrari Jet-Mode. Lewis too !
The Ferrari Jet-Mode is burning grapefruit and strawberry juice !

=> https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/3...uel-smells-of/
=>https://f1-insider.com/en/formula1/f...gasoline-2019/

Well....
Do you think my friend...if I added some of that red barrel container into my
M tank if I would get the Ferrari mode..Go Well go Jet-Mode Shell.
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Do you think my friend...if I added some of that red barrel container into my
M tank if I would get the Seb Jet-Mode..
It's Top Secret for sure . You should PM Sebastian for more information
Note : Our S65/85 engines blow anyway ...
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It's Top Secret for sure . You should PM Sebastian for more information
Note : Our S65/85 engines blow anyway ...
Yeah not just for poodling down to Costco that's for sure!!
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Trowbridge...well, Staverton. So right by your neck of the woods! I grew up in NW Scotland though...
Used to fish by the old Nestles factory there.

Small World! lol
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Then ask your team,Merc is it? to protest in the half hour after the provisional results are put up, then we'll see who the fool is.
Merc has no need. Red Bull would benefit most by a formal inquiry.

Merc is sitting pretty with 6 straight titles, while Ferrari picks up some crumbs.
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Merc has no need. Red Bull would benefit most by a formal inquiry.

Merc is sitting pretty with 6 straight titles, while Ferrari picks up some crumbs.
Overall Merc has some catching up to do.
The reds have 16 constructors titles,15 drivers and 238 race victories inc.Baghetti's private entry.
Merc will question for any reason to the authority to try to match that tally.

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Overall Merc has some catching up to do.
The reds have 16 constructors titles,15 drivers and 238 race victories inc.Baghetti's private entry.
Merc will question for any reason to the authority to try to match that tally.
Well Merc hasn't exactly competed in every F1 season, now have they. They now resides over the most dominate era in F1 history. 6 constructors and 6 drivers championships in a row.

Ferrari getting those 2019 season crumbs. Even when they finally get a speed advantage, they f*cked it up like Japan's front row lock out...hilarious. Ferrari's management has been a laughing stalk last few years.

Been over a decade since Ferrari did anything in modern day F1.
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Well Merc hasn't exactly competed in every F1 season, now have they. They now resides over the most dominate era in F1 history. 6 constructors and 6 drivers championships in a row.

Ferrari getting those 2019 season crumbs. Even when they finally get a speed advantage, they f*cked it up like Japan's front row lock out...hilarious. Ferrari's management has been a laughing stalk last few years.

Been over a decade since Ferrari did anything in modern day F1.
Ferrari have all the time in the world.
They have the car now just need to hone their driver tigerish efforts to play in
tandem with the team...and a slight start line creep is not the end of the world.
Merc have only themselves to blame being a universe behind Ferrari in overall
scores for not competing the full house set of seasons since '50.
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I think the automatic brake bias system should be making more noise than the Ferrari speculation given the amount of detail Racing Point was able to provide from some kind of inside source...
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While on the topic of F1, let's take a minute to reminisce on what inspired the high revving V8s and V10s, SMG & DCT, shift-light-having era of BMW.

19,000 never sounded so good, boy am I excited for 15,000 in 2021.

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I think the automatic brake bias system should be making more noise than the Ferrari speculation given the amount of detail Racing Point was able to provide from some kind of inside source...
This is interesting, how does it work? For reference, all teams have toggles for corner entry, mid corner, and corner exit brake balancing, which is dictated to drivers based on telemetry data.
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While on the topic of F1, let's take a minute to reminisce on what inspired the high revving V8s and V10s, SMG & DCT, shift-light-having era of BMW.

19,000 never sounded so good, boy am I excited for 15,000 in 2021.



This is interesting, how does it work? For reference, all teams have toggles for corner entry, mid corner, and corner exit brake balancing, which is dictated to drivers based on telemetry data.
No problem keeping the battery charged up good at 19k rpm
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