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      02-20-2019, 06:33 PM   #2069
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Hmm. I see the problem. I think we are having some misunderstanding of the definition of the "dash". To me, the dash is the part that houses the instrument cluster, HVAC,radio/CD and the glovebox. The instrument cluster is the thing that has the speedometer, odometer and gas level etc.

By this definition, the 7 series LCI is still using the old dash. One clear indicator is the location of the ignition button. The ignition button is located next to the instrument cluster in the old dash. For the new dash, the ignition button is located next to the gear selector.

Yes, the 7 series LCI does have the new instrument cluster.

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Hmm. I see the problem. I think we are having some misunderstanding of the definition of the "dash". To me, the dash is the part that houses the instrument cluster, HVAC,radio/CD and the glovebox. The instrument cluster is the thing that has the speedometer, odometer and gas level etc.

By this definition, the 7 series LCI is still using the old dash. One clear indicator is the location of the ignition button. The ignition button is located next to the instrument cluster in the old dash. For the new dash, the ignition button is located next to the gear selector.

Yes, the 7 series LCI does have the new instrument cluster.
Live cockpit/dash as BMW has called (both ways) that we are talking about as the updated dash includes both instrument cluster and center screen iDrive on the 7 series LCI, and not just the IC.
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      02-20-2019, 08:57 PM   #2071
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Live cockpit/dash as BMW has called (both ways) that we are talking about as the updated dash includes both instrument cluster and center screen iDrive on the 7 series LCI, and not just the IC.
Thanks for the clarification. Now things makes more sense. Updating the instrument cluster and the Idrive 7 are simple enough for BMW to change anytime.
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Live cockpit/dash as BMW has called (both ways) that we are talking about as the updated dash includes both instrument cluster and center screen iDrive on the 7 series LCI, and not just the IC.
Thanks for the clarification. Now things makes more sense. Updating the instrument cluster and the Idrive 7 are simple enough for BMW to change anytime.
Yeah exactly. I think people were imagining the 3 series or X5 interior complete dashboard and controls update, but it was more of the actually systems instead.
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Thanks for the clarification. Now things makes more sense. Updating the instrument cluster and the Idrive 7 are simple enough for BMW to change anytime.
It's not that simple. The 2018 vehicle electronics project was a huge undertaking. Naming it simply "iDrive 7" as if it's just another iteration of an old system totally undersells its scope.

Check this out for a deep dive: https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=24411446
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Yeah exactly. I think people were imagining the 3 series or X5 interior complete dashboard and controls update, but it was more of the actually systems instead.
LOL. I was one of them until a few posts ago

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It's not that simple. The 2018 vehicle electronics project was a huge undertaking. Naming it simply "iDrive 7" as if it's just another iteration of an old system totally undersells its scope.

Check this out for a deep dive: https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=24411446
Don't be mistaken. I'm sure the R&D took a lot of work for the Idrive 7. But once it is developed as a system/module, they can easily put it in across all the newer models of BMW. It is designed this way to minimize the mix of components that they have to make and keep inventory.

Thanks for the info.
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Ok this explains a lot. I think we all took “dash” to mean more than just the gauge cluster and idrive screen. Oh well, I guess I’ll have to live with that ugly sliding compartment cover in the center console in the X3M
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Ok this explains a lot. I think we all took “dash” to mean more than just the gauge cluster and idrive screen. Oh well, I guess I’ll have to live with that ugly sliding compartment cover in the center console in the X3M
It is way more - just look at all the modules listed in the docs a couple of posts above. But it's definitely not the "totally new interior layout" more.

Though as an engineer I value the invisible part of this upgrade much higher than the shape of the dashboard plastic and decorative inserts.
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It is way more - just look at all the modules listed in the docs a couple of posts above. But it's definitely not the "totally new interior layout" more.

Though as an engineer I value the invisible part of this upgrade much higher than the shape of the dashboard plastic and decorative inserts.
Thanks for sharing. I took a look through them and it is a significant upgrade over the current (besides the backwards rev counter ). Do you know if the gauge cluster will receive much tweaks for the M models (X3M, M3, etc)?

Thanks!
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It is way more - just look at all the modules listed in the docs a couple of posts above. But it's definitely not the "totally new interior layout" more.

Though as an engineer I value the invisible part of this upgrade much higher than the shape of the dashboard plastic and decorative inserts.
Thanks for sharing. I took a look through them and it is a significant upgrade over the current (besides the backwards rev counter ). Do you know if the gauge cluster will receive much tweaks for the M models (X3M, M3, etc)?

Thanks!
Interested in this too, i.e., M specific visuals/software for Live Cockpit gauges.
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Thanks for sharing. I took a look through them and it is a significant upgrade over the current (besides the backwards rev counter ). Do you know if the gauge cluster will receive much tweaks for the M models (X3M, M3, etc)?
It should be possible to figure this out the same way the M2 Competition logo was found in the regular M2 firmware. But I just don't work with this stuff, so it'll have to be someone else.
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Ok this explains a lot. I think we all took “dash” to mean more than just the gauge cluster and idrive screen. Oh well, I guess I’ll have to live with that ugly sliding compartment cover in the center console in the X3M
Not to mention having a slightly dated dashboard and center console that is used in the g11 7 series (launched back in 2015). Oh well...
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      02-25-2019, 02:21 AM   #2082
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M2 CS details. Seems it'll make a lot of people happy. BMW can still do things right.
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M2 CS details. Seems it'll make a lot of people happy. BMW can still do things right.
Will the M2 CS be a 2 or a 4 seater?
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M2 CS details. Seems it'll make a lot of people happy. BMW can still do things right.
Apart from the blue colours. What is it with the M2 and terrible blue choices. They just can't get it right.

Long Beach Blue and Misano when you have Marina Bay and San Marino in the arsenal.

They are awful. Misano hides all the lines, just look at it on the X2.

But the specs look good for the CS. Thanks for the info. Alpine White it is then.
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Is this unprecedented for BMW to have released so many new models in such a short amount of time? M2 Comp, X2, X3, X4, X5, 8 series, G20 3 series, Z4, next X7?
I was thinking this the other day. What's next in the product pipeline?

4-series, M3/4, X6, 2-series, LCI 5er....then nothing really else on the horizon. I suspect the 7-series will receive a [much needed] redesign in roughly 3-4 years time.
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Apart from the blue colours. What is it with the M2 and terrible blue choices. They just can't get it right.

Long Beach Blue and Misano when you have Marina Bay and San Marino in the arsenal.

They are awful. Misano hides all the lines, just look at it on the X2.

But the specs look good for the CS. Thanks for the info. Alpine White it is then.
Complaining about hiding lines and picks Alpine White LOLLL
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M2 CS details. Seems it'll make a lot of people happy. BMW can still do things right.
BMW does seem to LISTEN well..

except for AUTO REV MATCH OFF ONLY WITH DSC OFF


I am ECSTATIC about an M2 CS with 6 speed.
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Apart from the blue colours. What is it with the M2 and terrible blue choices. They just can't get it right.

Long Beach Blue and Misano when you have Marina Bay and San Marino in the arsenal.

They are awful. Misano hides all the lines, just look at it on the X2.

But the specs look good for the CS. Thanks for the info. Alpine White it is then.

While I am definitely not interested in the color.... A Misano Blue M2 will be instantly recognizable as an M2 CS... so there is that..
Personally.. I find Misano Blue (aka peacock blue) even LESS attractive than LBB.... it's on the X2 which is also made in Leipzig.. and it looks like they dropped Sunset Orange to accommodate it for this model.


CosmosMpower did you get the slow model or are you now waiting for the M2 CS?

Gatte I think you may owe me a beer....
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While I will probably not get it .... A Misano Blue M2 will be instantly recognizable as an M2 CS... so there is that..


did you get the slow model or are you now waiting for the M2 CS?
The Misano Blue might actually look good on the M2 CS.

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