[E90ROXS]

It looks like Papadakis is almost complete with this build. I wish he will make a kit for our cars.

https://youtu.be/eT8ZRb1Out8

[mike@x-ph.com]

[B58togo]

I just don't see 1,000 horsepower being fun or even remotely manageable in any RWD BMW chassis that weighs in the neighborhood of 3500 lbs.

But, props to this this guy. He's been in the business for years.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by B58togo

I just don't see 1,000 horsepower being fun or even remotely manageable in any RWD BMW chassis that weighs in the neighborhood of 3500 lbs.

But, props to this this guy. He's been in the business for years.

Put a proper tire on and they'll be fine. Remember Supra has similar to M4 fitment. People are running 295/305 rear tires. And you can always use boost by gear/torque reduction to improve traction in lower gears.

[tobefair-idontcare]

Originally Posted by B58togo

I just don't see 1,000 horsepower being fun or even remotely manageable in any RWD BMW chassis that weighs in the neighborhood of 3500 lbs.

But, props to this this guy. He's been in the business for years.

This isn't the B58 from the 3/4 Series (look at the exhaust manifold). It's a Supra B58 so I'd assume it's going back into a Supra.

[IMS-340C]

It's all because of the history of the Supra and 2JZ otherwise he wouldn't have done it.

Would love to see this modification on the all wheel drive M340i.

Originally Posted by B58togo

I just don't see 1,000 horsepower being fun or even remotely manageable in any RWD BMW chassis that weighs in the neighborhood of 3500 lbs.

But, props to this this guy. He's been in the business for years.

[IMS-340C]

Stock Supra sub 400 hp already are spinning the wheels.

With any road legal tyres with 1000 hp this car will spin the wheels up to 4th gear.

Originally Posted by kern417

Put a proper tire on and they'll be fine. Remember Supra has similar to M4 fitment. People are running 295/305 rear tires. And you can always use boost by gear/torque reduction to improve traction in lower gears.

[IMS-340C]

I wonder how much boost and what fuel they will he use to achieve 1000 HP.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by IMS-340MP

Stock Supra sub 400 hp already are spinning the wheels.

With any road legal tyres with 1000 hp this car will spin the wheels up to 4th gear.

I hook just fine with 400whp and 275 tires. Supra comes with that width, stock. You guys must have a different definition of spinning.

There are videos of 700whp+ F80s on youtube doing just fine with roll racing. And again, they can limit torque in lower gears with BM3.

Traction control, advanced boost control, and proper tires. This has been proven. If you guys are having that much trouble hooking then you're not taking advantage of what we have available.

[IMS-340C]

Check this video and see what happens when you launch the 2 ton 625 HP M8 with RWD, jump to 2 minutes 15 seconds in the video.

Imagine what a 1.5 ton 1000 HP RWD car will do.

Originally Posted by kern417

I hook just fine with 400whp and 275 tires. Supra comes with that width, stock. You guys must have a different definition of spinning.

There are videos of 700whp+ F80s on youtube doing just fine with roll racing. And again, they can limit torque in lower gears with BM3.

Traction control, advanced boost control, and proper tires. This has been proven. If you guys are having that much trouble hooking then you're not taking advantage of what we have available.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by IMS-340MP

Check this video and see what happens when you launch the 2 ton 625 HP M8 with RWD, jump to 2 minutes 15 seconds in the video.

Imagine what a 1.5 ton 1000 HP RWD car will do.

And here's a 700hp M4. Go to 3:00. No smoke show, because when you're focused on being fast you don't do things like turn off all the nannies and stay in the throttle to make it look crazy.

Like I said. Tires, traction control, and a good tune. Done.

[jackstrath]

Like any car with 1000bhp going to 2 wheels , slicks or not your going to get wheel spin. As said throttle mapping, TC and load other factors that you can factor in can make 1000bhp work....

This guy builds competition cars so its mostly going to spend its life at a track. But who cares............... The build was done to find the limits of the engine not what will work with road legal tyres

[hybris]

Originally Posted by jackstrath

Like any car with 1000bhp going to 2 wheels , slicks or not your going to get wheel spin. As said throttle mapping, TC and load other factors that you can factor in can make 1000bhp work....

This guy builds competition cars so its mostly going to spend its life at a track. But who cares............... The build was done to find the limits of the engine not what will work with road legal tyres

So, Padadakis racing isn't really concerned about avoiding wheel spin.

[IMS-340C]

TC cuts power and throttle mapping reduce power so how can they make 1000 HP work ?

Anyway I agree the build is to find the limit of the engine and to see or prove if it can match the 2JZ.

Originally Posted by jackstrath

Like any car with 1000bhp going to 2 wheels , slicks or not your going to get wheel spin. As said throttle mapping, TC and load other factors that you can factor in can make 1000bhp work....

This guy builds competition cars so its mostly going to spend its life at a track. But who cares............... The build was done to find the limits of the engine not what will work with road legal tyres

[BMWILUVU]

Originally Posted by IMS-340MP

TC cuts power and throttle mapping reduce power so how can they make 1000 HP work ?

Anyway I agree the build is to find the limit of the engine and to see or prove if it can match the 2JZ.

They're not going to be using the same maps and controllers lol. High HP requires some skill in throttle control.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by BMWILUVU

They're not going to be using the same maps and controllers lol. High HP requires some skill in throttle control.

I just don't understand how he thinks no one with over 1000hp can use it. It's not 1990 anymore. 1500+ hp streetcars are common. Hell, you can see 1000hp hondas drag racing every weekend on the east coast

I actually got more traction when i upgraded the turbo on my previous car. Slower spool + controlled boost onset = more traction with the same top end, 2000rpm powerband to shift in. But I digress.

[IMS-340C]

Why all the fuss, I was just confirming to B58togo that 1000 HP can't be put to the ground with the RWD Supra with regular tyres on normal roads that's it.

Of course if we put a wide body and super wide drag tyres on the Supra on a well prepared drag strip it will stick.

Though I doubt the standard ZF Gearbox/Differential/Drive shafts can handle 1000 HP.

[BMWILUVU]

Originally Posted by kern417

I just don't understand how he thinks no one with over 1000hp can use it. It's not 1990 anymore. 1500+ hp streetcars are common. Hell, you can see 1000hp hondas drag racing every weekend on the east coast

I actually got more traction when i upgraded the turbo on my previous car. Slower spool + controlled boost onset = more traction with the same top end, 2000rpm powerband to shift in. But I digress.

Look to formula one. They run with slicks super wide in race formula tires in 1000hp and use throttle control or ask for throttle damping from their engineers. Regular guys aren't going to have the equipment or the skill in throttle control so we have traction control, AWD, and nannies to help but to properly run a 1000hp car you need the skill to apply throttle without breaking free. So the only reason regular guys can run 1000hp cars is with nannies on. Mash the throttle in a Challenger Hellcat on a highway turn without the nannies and everyone around you is in danger.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by BMWILUVU

Look to formula one. They run with slicks super wide in race formula tires in 1000hp and use throttle control or ask for throttle damping from their engineers. Regular guys aren't going to have the equipment or the skill in throttle control so we have traction control, AWD, and nannies to help but to properly run a 1000hp car you need the skill to apply throttle without breaking free. So the only reason regular guys can run 1000hp cars is with nannies on. Mash the throttle in a Challenger Hellcat on a highway turn without the nannies and everyone around you is in danger.

It just reminds me of my VW days. Half of the community thought that a tune caused you to spin through 2nd gear, so there was no point to getting a big turbo. Yet all the Big Turbo guys seemed satisfied, no one was going back to stock turbo or reducing their power. Sure, if you keep the stock 275 tires on a hellcat then it can struggle. But again, a proper tire and 700hp isn't a problem.

Like I said, we must have different definitions of spinning and usability. Because I can hook 1st but others say they're already spinng with a stage 1 tune I even have 2.5* of camber in the rear and the car will get up and go with no flashing traction control light. But I also have smaller wheels with wider, quality summer tires and everything else that's at our disposal in 2019. I appreciate the tech and 9/10 you're faster with it. So if speed is your goal, you keep it on. And at that point it doesn't matter what your car does with everything off, stock all-seasons, etc.

What's funny is how the progression is different in the A90 community. They don't have big turbo kits available yet, but companies already offer multiple drag packs. Literally peoples first mod is a set of welds and mickey thompsons. That's why stock tune/suspension supras are going low 12s.

When people start really pushing 4 digit power in the B58, they'll switch to standalones. And those offer traction control sensors and tuning as well. It's important.

[neonnblack]

Originally Posted by kern417

I hook just fine with 400whp and 275 tires. Supra comes with that width, stock. You guys must have a different definition of spinning.

There are videos of 700whp+ F80s on youtube doing just fine with roll racing. And again, they can limit torque in lower gears with BM3.

Traction control, advanced boost control, and proper tires. This has been proven. If you guys are having that much trouble hooking then you're not taking advantage of what we have available.

I make somewhere just over 400whp. last time at the track i cut a 1.9 60' on run flat all seasons. Haven't messed with torque reduction or boost by gear and launch control didn't activate (im still figuring out how to do this as sometimes i get it to work and sometimes i can't). Stock 255's

People are forgetting that the best, most important mod is the driver mod.

[IMS-340C]

400 whp is like M3 stock power you shouldn't have traction issues on the track.

Launch control only activates after around 10 kms of driving.

Originally Posted by neonnblack

I make somewhere just over 400whp. last time at the track i cut a 1.9 60' on run flat all seasons. Haven't messed with torque reduction or boost by gear and launch control didn't activate (im still figuring out how to do this as sometimes i get it to work and sometimes i can't). Stock 255's

People are forgetting that the best, most important mod is the driver mod.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by IMS-340MP

400 whp is like M3 stock power you shouldn't have traction issues on the track.

Launch control only activates after around 10 kms of driving.

Yeah but my friend has a stock M4 and complains that he spins through 3rd gear. I think a large part of it is their cars come with extra camber and other things that prioritize cornering over straightline speed, but that's just ridiculous.

That's why I say we must have different definitions. Because I'm also running OTS stage 1 e30 with no torque reduction and putting the power down just fine.

Honestly coming from fwd, my limit is not being able to hook 2nd gear. Spinning was fun but I'm currently addicted to the feel of no drama acceleration. If i start having trouble holding traction, trust me. I'd be honest and dial something back. But that's just not the case.