"something" is going on at MHD with their quality assurance, yet again v3.88 pulled

dinan5m3 · 09-15-2022, 10:21 PM

This time with v3.88 yesterday, not a typo, yesterday.

Yesterday was "bad" release, flat out. Android, that's what i have, opens and v3.88 immediately "crashes". Over and over, crashing with each app open's.

And today, v3.89 release. Seem to have fixed that crash at least.

What the hell is going on over at MHD these days?

Regression is becoming "lot frequent" with each MHD releases.

Is this the "new normal" with MHD going forward?

Skyhigh · 09-16-2022, 05:37 AM

I agree... lately it looks like they rely on users for beta-testing. Not cool MHD. Not cool.

XxThe_RemedyXx · 09-16-2022, 03:01 PM

I'm going back and forth between MHD and BM3 for my '16 340 and this has me leaning towards BM3. I ran BM3 on my '14 335 and had nothing but a great experience... Might have to just go BM3 again. Sure wish someone would sell me a damn license!

dinan5m3 · 09-16-2022, 05:56 PM

Before the v3.88 fiasco, we had v3.86 which introduced new map version 1.5, and that was pulled day later and replaced with v3.87, with no explanation in the "what's new".

Why hide things in the release history?

Be transparent MHD !

Skyhigh · 09-17-2022, 02:53 AM

You mean map 3.5, not 1.5.

And the unofficial explanation was "it had a bug".

The logs were scary bad with 3.5 (much worse than with any previous). They became better than ever over night with 3.6. Go figure…

johnung · 09-17-2022, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by XxThe_RemedyXx

I'm going back and forth between MHD and BM3 for my '16 340 and this has me leaning towards BM3. I ran BM3 on my '14 335 and had nothing but a great experience... Might have to just go BM3 again. Sure wish someone would sell me a damn license!

Curious why you were on the fence if you had a previous great experience with Bootmod3? Seems like a no brainer to stick with it.

XxThe_RemedyXx · 09-17-2022, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by johnung

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Originally Posted by XxThe_RemedyXx

I'm going back and forth between MHD and BM3 for my '16 340 and this has me leaning towards BM3. I ran BM3 on my '14 335 and had nothing but a great experience... Might have to just go BM3 again. Sure wish someone would sell me a damn license!

Curious why you were on the fence if you had a previous great experience with Bootmod3? Seems like a no brainer to stick with it.

Purely out of curiosity honestly. I heard good things about MHD and wanted to give them a try but I think I changed my mind (again).

johnung · 09-17-2022, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by XxThe_RemedyXx

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Originally Posted by johnung

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Originally Posted by XxThe_RemedyXx

I'm going back and forth between MHD and BM3 for my '16 340 and this has me leaning towards BM3. I ran BM3 on my '14 335 and had nothing but a great experience... Might have to just go BM3 again. Sure wish someone would sell me a damn license!

Curious why you were on the fence if you had a previous great experience with Bootmod3? Seems like a no brainer to stick with it.

Purely out of curiosity honestly. I heard good things about MHD and wanted to give them a try but I think I changed my mind (again).

I've had a great experience with Bootmod3 as well, from their basic Stage1 & Stage2 tunes, to the FlexFuel MultiMap tunes that I'm using now. Tech support and regular free updates and upgrades have been excellent for years now. Good luck!

Jnat · 09-17-2022, 07:38 AM

Polarizing subject always not only with this platform but any i've been involved with. I'm using MHD and have on several cars and feel that for an off the shelf map they perform very well. With that said, i've used Cobb on other platforms and used their Accesstuner Race tool to make my own maps for previous Subie's and BMW's...
I am now looking at BM3 as i was not aware that with BM3 you could write your own maps. My question is, do they allow us to see as a starting point for instance what their E30 map looks like in comparison to other maps they offer?

mike@x-ph.com · 09-17-2022, 09:24 AM

MHD does not make its maps. They buy maps from third-party tuners.

I don't think they have enough tuning knowledge to read and test the different table changes.

I don't know if they test new maps given to them from the third part tuners and what that testing involves but from the sound of it, this version was not tested enough.

Skyhigh · 09-17-2022, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

MHD does not make its maps. They buy maps from third-party tuners.

I don't think they have enough tuning knowledge to read and test the different table changes.

I don't know if they test new maps given to them from the third part tuners and what that testing involves but from the sound of it, this version was not tested enough.

In this particular case, it was the app that was apparently not (sufficiently) tested, not the map. In the previous occasion - it was the map.

MHD's OTS maps are from PureBoost (only).

MHD do however seem to have sufficient competence to analyse logs, etc.

I chose MHD for a reason after a lot of research and do not regret it (yet), but am nevertheless disappointed from their faults lately. Luckily no critical ones.

mike@x-ph.com · 09-17-2022, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyhigh

MHD's OTS maps are from PureBoost (only).

Do you mean for this platform? They got their N54 maps from Wedge.

Skyhigh · 09-17-2022, 01:20 PM

Yes, for B58 that is.
Didn't know about Wedge.

dmanb2b · 09-17-2022, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by XxThe_RemedyXx

I'm going back and forth between MHD and BM3 for my '16 340 and this has me leaning towards BM3. I ran BM3 on my '14 335 and had nothing but a great experience... Might have to just go BM3 again. Sure wish someone would sell me a damn license!

I can get you a fresh, unused, BM3 license at a discount, if that's the route you decide to go

XxThe_RemedyXx · 09-17-2022, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dmanb2b

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Originally Posted by XxThe_RemedyXx

I'm going back and forth between MHD and BM3 for my '16 340 and this has me leaning towards BM3. I ran BM3 on my '14 335 and had nothing but a great experience... Might have to just go BM3 again. Sure wish someone would sell me a damn license!

I can get you a fresh, unused, BM3 license at a discount, if that's the route you decide to go

Talk to me Goose.

dinan5m3 · 09-17-2022, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyhigh

You mean map 3.5, not 1.5.

And the unofficial explanation was "it had a bug".

The logs were scary bad with 3.5 (much worse than with any previous). They became better than ever over night with 3.6. Go figure…

Yes, not 1.5, but meant 3.5, which day later turned into 3.6 as you said, but the release notes for v3.87 which introduced 3.6 map still mentions 3.5 map.

Small details MHD !!!

dinan5m3 · 09-17-2022, 09:55 PM

v3.90 released, nop for b58. But says contain bug fixes for app.

I'll wait.

eluded · 09-18-2022, 02:42 AM

Have not installed iOS 16 yet. Waiting for update.

Skyhigh · 09-18-2022, 04:12 AM

Works fine on iOS16.

PeterWT · 09-19-2022, 05:58 PM

Are the latest maps still v3.6? Or, do I need to flash again?

dinan5m3 · 09-20-2022, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterWT

Are the latest maps still v3.6? Or, do I need to flash again?

Maps remain at v3.6, but says bug fixes.

Does that mean last version of app that flashed v3.6 is to be trusted?

In other words, do folks reflash with updated app despite the map version has not changed?

Skyhigh · 09-20-2022, 01:23 AM

No! Keep in mind that there are a number of software products here:
- the app itself (separately for android and iOS)
- OTS map packages for a number of different platforms (each with different version number)

Just because the app is updated does not mean the map for a specific platform has changed in any way! If the map ver is the same, the map is the same.

What they did recently incorrectly was to update the B58 map (from 3.5 to 3.6) without providing revision history between the two (the description was still regarding the changes in 3.5 vs 3.4).

Long story short 3.6 is still the latest.

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dinan5m3 Colonel 4264 Rep 2,067 Posts Drives: e39 m5 e46 m3 g01 x3m40i Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: RTP NC iTrader: (0)	"something" is going on at MHD with their quality assurance, yet again v3.88 pulled This time with v3.88 yesterday, not a typo, yesterday. Yesterday was "bad" release, flat out. Android, that's what i have, opens and v3.88 immediately "crashes". Over and over, crashing with each app open's. And today, v3.89 release. Seem to have fixed that crash at least. What the hell is going on over at MHD these days? Regression is becoming "lot frequent" with each MHD releases. Is this the "new normal" with MHD going forward?
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Skyhigh Brigadier General 1890 Rep 3,877 Posts Drives: BMW F36 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	I agree... lately it looks like they rely on users for beta-testing. Not cool MHD. Not cool. __________________ "Large increases in cost with questionable increases in performance can be tolerated only in cars and women."
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XxThe_RemedyXx Colonel 967 Rep 2,655 Posts Drives: 2016 340i xDrive Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Westchester, NY iTrader: (0)	I'm going back and forth between MHD and BM3 for my '16 340 and this has me leaning towards BM3. I ran BM3 on my '14 335 and had nothing but a great experience... Might have to just go BM3 again. Sure wish someone would sell me a damn license! __________________ 2016 340i xDrive - BM3 Stage 2 93 OTS - xHP Transmission Tune Stage 2 - B58TU HPFP - Bilstein B14 - VRSF Catless DP - Kyostar CAI
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dinan5m3 Colonel 4264 Rep 2,067 Posts Drives: e39 m5 e46 m3 g01 x3m40i Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: RTP NC iTrader: (0)	Before the v3.88 fiasco, we had v3.86 which introduced new map version 1.5, and that was pulled day later and replaced with v3.87, with no explanation in the "what's new". Why hide things in the release history? Be transparent MHD !
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Skyhigh Brigadier General 1890 Rep 3,877 Posts Drives: BMW F36 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	You mean map 3.5, not 1.5. And the unofficial explanation was "it had a bug". The logs were scary bad with 3.5 (much worse than with any previous). They became better than ever over night with 3.6. Go figure… __________________ "Large increases in cost with questionable increases in performance can be tolerated only in cars and women."
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Jnat DisplacementReplacement 409 Rep 1,104 Posts Drives: 2020 X3M Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Jersey Shore iTrader: (0)	Polarizing subject always not only with this platform but any i've been involved with. I'm using MHD and have on several cars and feel that for an off the shelf map they perform very well. With that said, i've used Cobb on other platforms and used their Accesstuner Race tool to make my own maps for previous Subie's and BMW's... I am now looking at BM3 as i was not aware that with BM3 you could write your own maps. My question is, do they allow us to see as a starting point for instance what their E30 map looks like in comparison to other maps they offer? __________________ 2020 X3M /// MHD Tune Prior Bimmers 2017 240XI Hybrid / FBO / MHD E40 2015 235XI FBO / MHD E30 2009 335XI FBO / COBB / E30
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Skyhigh Brigadier General 1890 Rep 3,877 Posts Drives: BMW F36 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Yes, for B58 that is. Didn't know about Wedge. __________________ "Large increases in cost with questionable increases in performance can be tolerated only in cars and women."
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dinan5m3 Colonel 4264 Rep 2,067 Posts Drives: e39 m5 e46 m3 g01 x3m40i Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: RTP NC iTrader: (0)	v3.90 released, nop for b58. But says contain bug fixes for app. I'll wait.
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Skyhigh Brigadier General 1890 Rep 3,877 Posts Drives: BMW F36 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Works fine on iOS16. __________________ "Large increases in cost with questionable increases in performance can be tolerated only in cars and women."
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PeterWT Lieutenant 254 Rep 558 Posts Drives: '17 M240i, AT, BSM Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Florida, USA iTrader: (0)	Are the latest maps still v3.6? Or, do I need to flash again? __________________ My 2017 M240i: MHD, xHP, Modded OE Intake, AA GESi 400 CPSI Cat DP, Dinan Mid-pipe, M Performance LSD & Rear Diffuser, BMS Exhaust Tips, Apex EC-7 Wheels, M-Tech Front Lip, iND Painted Mirror Caps, Smoked Reflectors
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Skyhigh Brigadier General 1890 Rep 3,877 Posts Drives: BMW F36 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	No! Keep in mind that there are a number of software products here: - the app itself (separately for android and iOS) - OTS map packages for a number of different platforms (each with different version number) Just because the app is updated does not mean the map for a specific platform has changed in any way! If the map ver is the same, the map is the same. What they did recently incorrectly was to update the B58 map (from 3.5 to 3.6) without providing revision history between the two (the description was still regarding the changes in 3.5 vs 3.4). Long story short 3.6 is still the latest. __________________ "Large increases in cost with questionable increases in performance can be tolerated only in cars and women."
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