[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by techwhiz

Uh..... No.....
I'm on my 4th fuel pump.
This one seems to be better than the rest.

Sample size of one. No one said it never happens anymore. In addition the E9x N54 HPFP is warranted for 10 years/120,000 miles.

[mkoesel]

Wow, so if that's true then it will create a strange situation where the 340i has better standard lighting than not only the 435i, but the M4 too, and most importantly the M3 which is perhaps the most similar to the 340i of these in terms of appeal. That is, unless perhaps this change will effect all of those models too?

On the other hand, just the fact that the 3 series will have more available power than the 4 Series is already weird, and they don't seem to be concerned about that (if they were, they could have moved the 4 Series to the B58 now instead of waiting until March). But, that part obviously doesn't apply to the M3/M4 of course, which makes me wonder if at the very least those two won't get the LED headlights standard.

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Standard on 320i and 328i.

LEDs will be offered as option on these models and as standard on 340i.

No Xenons.

(This bit of information has ~90% probability of being correct. On 5/7 we'll know for sure.)

[Raikkonen]

Originally Posted by bclemans

Forget comparing the horsepower to the Mercedes C450 AMG, it is not even up to the Audi S4. Most German engines are underrated (not just BMW).

BMW is so stubbon. No M340i, not even a 340is. They just refuse to compete against competition.

The current I-6 in the 640i is already rated at 315.
Well done at boosting it to 321!

I think what most people are forgetting, and the post I've quoted above actually references my point, is that there MAY be a model placed ABOVE the 340i, but below the M3.

I think a 340is is definitely a possibility, or a FACTORY option package that INCLUDES a power kit.

With turbocharging, BMW could easily offer 350-375 hp in this model/option package. 321hp will simply be the new "baseline" for the 340i...

Remember, for all of the changes happening on the exterior of the car, it's almost impossible to speculate what's going on under the hood.

Also remember, lci mules had redesigned cooling apertures in the front grill/air dam for additional cooling...food for thought.

BMW is not only an engineering juggernaut, but a brilliant Branding and Marketing juggernaut as well. They are VERY aware of what power the competition is offering, and as such will answer the call...mark my word.

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

What's the deal with the B48? Isn't that a Mini engine? And isn't it weaker than the N20? Why put that in the 330?

A variant of this engine will find it's way into the F30, but it's not ready yet. It's not going to be the same B48. I saw the full engine code a while back, but it's different than the mini's.

It's safe to assume the power increase over the N20 will be roughly the same compared to the N55 -> B58, so about 15-20HP, but we won't know for sure until we have the facts.

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Wow, so if that's true then it will create a strange situation where the 340i has better standard lighting than not only the 435i, but the M4 too, and most importantly the M3 which is perhaps the most similar to the 340i of these in terms of appeal. That is, unless perhaps this change will effect all of those models too?

On the other hand, just the fact that the 3 series will have more available power than the 4 Series is already weird, and they don't seem to be concerned about that (if they were, they could have moved the 4 Series to the B58 now instead of waiting until March). But, that part obviously doesn't apply to the M3/M4 of course, which makes me wonder if at the very least those two won't get the LED headlights standard.

I don't think this is any different when there was the F30 vs E92 before the F32 came out. Or any different when there was the F30 328 (Sedan) with 240HP versus the E92 328 (Coupe) with less horsepower and a lot less torque.

The F30 LCI will also include the M3 in the F80, so the M3 will be on par with the F30 LCI changes.

But yea, 4 series is taking the back seat for a year. F32 has had an edge over the F30 for a little while by way of having things like LED option, ect.

[Mr.G20 M340]

The new model is going to have 328hp I went to a focus group and they gave me this information.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

I don't think this is any different when there was the F30 vs E92 before the F32 came out. Or any different when there was the F30 328 (Sedan) with 240HP versus the E92 328 (Coupe) with less horsepower and a lot less torque.

It's different. You are talking about new generation of car, this thread is about the LCI. Naturally a completely new model will supersede it's trailing siblings' features in their waning years.

The F30 LCI will also include the M3 in the F80, so the M3 will be on par with the F30 LCI changes.

No, not in this case. The M3 shares headlights with the 4 Series and M4, so in that specific area, it will not be in sync with the 3 Series.

Now, it is true that in the past the E90 3 series (and later, the E92/E93 3 Series) also got updated headlights that the M3 never got. It also happened with the E46. But in this case I am referring to the fact that a new lighting technology is being introduced to the sedan as standard equipment, yet remains optional on higher end siblings.

But yea, 4 series is taking the back seat for a year.

A bit less than that, actually; 440i production starts in March 2016.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Wow all these negative comments. Least you all forget BMW has sold more cars that all the competition you named. Lexus, Audi, Mercedes, and Jaguar. It is the best selling luxury brand.

So while you all complain about not enough power in the LCI model, BMW will be selling more cars at record numbers.

[Manbnda]

Meanwhile M235i owners are taking sips of tea.
Sometimes I don't understand BMW offert.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Standard on 320i and 328i.

LEDs will be offered as option on these models and as standard on 340i.

No Xenons.

(This bit of information has ~90% probability of being correct. On 5/7 we'll know for sure.)

Can you please expound on this prediction? Except that it basically mirrors what Merc is doing on the W205 I'm having a hard time imagining BMW doing this. Even 5ers and 6ers still have xenons. BMW would have to significantly cut the price of LEDs to make them a viable choice on the 320i and 328i and they'd have to cut the price across the board. Of course, they could do that. They cut the price of Active Cruise in half, from $2,400 to $1,200 with no particular basis for a decrease in cost of production.

[MikeTerp]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

+1. every engine is under rated.

Except Cadillac's I-4T, which they tried to claim every HP they could - 279 I think, yet still got blown out by BMW's "240" (ATS vs. 328). I am not worried about whatever BMW advertises as the output of the B48/B58 - they will equal or better any opponent's engine at the wheels where it truly counts.

[ska///235i]

B48 HP???

Why ppl complaining?? Its only a LCI and not MY

[chiefneil]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Can you please expound on this prediction? Except that it basically mirrors what Merc is doing on the W205 I'm having a hard time imagining BMW doing this. Even 5ers and 6ers still have xenons. BMW would have to significantly cut the price of LEDs to make them a viable choice on the 320i and 328i and they'd have to cut the price across the board. Of course, they could do that. They cut the price of Active Cruise in half, from $2,400 to $1,200 with no particular basis for a decrease in cost of production.

It's the strategy they currently follow for Mini. Standard halogens with LED a $750-$1000 upgrade. No xenon option at all. Obviously BMW is making money at the 1k option level for LED, so I suspect soneone did the math and decided more LED sales at 1k would yield greater profit than current sales at $1900, especially when the only other option is halogens.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Can you please expound on this prediction? Except that it basically mirrors what Merc is doing on the W205 I'm having a hard time imagining BMW doing this. Even 5ers and 6ers still have xenons. BMW would have to significantly cut the price of LEDs to make them a viable choice on the 320i and 328i and they'd have to cut the price across the board. Of course, they could do that. They cut the price of Active Cruise in half, from $2,400 to $1,200 with no particular basis for a decrease in cost of production.

I have a hard time believing it will happen as well.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Can you please expound on this prediction? Except that it basically mirrors what Merc is doing on the W205 I'm having a hard time imagining BMW doing this.

See EU options for F2x LCI.

[nicknaz]

OP, any news on the sport suspension changes? Or mechanical LSD?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Standard on 320i and 328i.

LEDs will be offered as option on these models and as standard on 340i.

No Xenons.

(This bit of information has ~90% probability of being correct. On 5/7 we'll know for sure.)

No Xenons, but standard halogens ?

That's lame.

[dmboone25]

Also, what will the next (M)240i get for BHP if the standard 3/440i are making what the 235 makes now ?

Maybe the (M) 321 BHP will be better somehow in the 2er.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Can't wait. There are a whole list of mods I may/may not do to my '14 335 depending on what the LCI includes.

[vladberca]

Originally Posted by remmib

So, 326 proper hp.

The question is if we'll see another MPPK pushing the power up to350 hp!

[Golden Arrow]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

wow! Thats a significant jump from the current model. I kinda dont believe it.

With the way BMW underrated the N55, the new engine might very well make that much at the crank.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by FilipMPower

Do you really think the XE will sell more than the 3 series, ever? No person in their right mind will buy an entry-level jaguar, even if it sounds like a perfect mix of the best.

And do you think that Merc will make a better inline6 engine than BMW with their first try? Be rational. AMG makes proper engines. Mercedes does not reach BMW or Audi in engines. The N20 in the 328i is apparently weaker than mercedes' counterpart, but feels a lot faster and punchier? Please don't kid yourself. I for one would never refer to a V6 Supercharged over a I6 turbo. I might ignore the supercharging if I would pay 100k for a car. But I would take the more efficient option. The only real competition here is the S4. BMW have to make the 335i or 340i be more appealing than the S4. And I really like companies having competition, then they make proper cars and don't become lousy. But the 3 series has no competition from Jag, and definitely no competition from the japanese, in europe at least. And Alfa Romeo will never compete with BMW, Audi and Mercedes. ÄI don't know, maybe its just because of my dislike towards V6s, I just think that they're not a proper engine design. But the lowest tech V6 supercharged from jag vs BMWs I6? No. The Alfa V6 might be better. But the car will be terrible. Same case with maserati's new cars. Ferrari engine, bad car in every other aspect.

You never know about the jag, they have been making hit after hit. If it is lighter, more hp, and better handling, people may choose it, just to be different.

Mercedes, first try? Mercedes has been making inline 6 engines for a long time, they only stopped in the mid 90s, to put a V6 in the E and C class due to packaging and saving money. You have to know that this is not Mercedes first try at making inline 6 engine.

Then you have the Lexus V6...the V6 is a long in tooth engine, but it is smooth. And let us not not forget that in comparos the IS350 has done some damage...but, I am not going to crow about Lexus...I am trying to be objective.

And how do you know Alfa's car will be bad, it hasn't even come out yet?

[JunkStory]

Unless BMW upgrades the transmission, they can't be making much more HP even at the crank because the current ZF transmission has a max rating of about 330hp.