[JD6]

Originally Posted by zofinger

Are we closer to the Government calling a vote of no confidence in itself/resigning? If they can't govern the business in the HOC nor trigger a GE, what else can they do.

They can step aside and let an interim government of national unity take over. Even if they don't step aside, the other parties now hold the balance of power, so could force Boris out without a GE, assuming (and it will be tough) that they can form some kind of coalition.

[SuperHamz]

Originally Posted by Watsey

The public aren't stupid.

I agree with this.

Originally Posted by Watsey

They realise that BJ was trying to break the deadlock...

Say what?

[zofinger]

Originally Posted by JD6

They can step aside and let an interim government of national unity take over. Even if they don't step aside, the other parties now hold the balance of power, so could force Boris out without a GE, assuming (and it will be tough) that they can form some kind of coalition.

"Forcing Boris out"...is that a vote of no confidence in the government or something else?

Either way, it will be tough - can't imagine enough MPs will coalesce around JC and can't imagine JC will coalesce around anyone else.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by zofinger

"Forcing Boris out"...is that a vote of no confidence in the government or something else?

Either way, it will be tough - can't imagine enough MPs will coalesce around JC and can't imagine JC will coalesce around anyone else.

Yes I believe that after a vote of no confidence in the Government, a new government can be formed within 14 days and seek approval from the Queen. Failing that it goes to a GE, so they would only call for a no confidence vote when their ducks are lined up.

I agree that Corbyn is a problem, and I have no idea how or if they will get around that one. Perhaps a collection of leaders - Corbyn, Swinson, Wee Jimmy...

[zofinger]

Originally Posted by JD6

Yes I believe that after a vote of no confidence in the Government, a new government can be formed within 14 days and seek approval from the Queen. Failing that it goes to a GE, so they would only call for a no confidence vote when their ducks are lined up.

I agree that Corbyn is a problem, and I have no idea how or if they will get around that one. Perhaps a collection of leaders - Corbyn, Swinson, Wee Jimmy...

Hence the government may need to resign as the opposition aren't calling for a VONC and if they do, who will head it (who's going to have enough ducks lined up). Tough as you say.

Could you imagine a half decent opposition? I mean, I bet Miliband is having kittens....he'd have wiped the floor with this and May's Government. His EdStone isn't looking as daft now...

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by zofinger

Hence the government may need to resign as the opposition aren't calling for a VONC and if they do, who will head it (who's going to have enough ducks lined up). Tough as you say.

Could you imagine a half decent opposition? I mean, I bet Miliband is having kittens....he'd have wiped the floor with this and May's Government. His EdStone isn't looking as daft now...

The other Miliband would have not so sure Ed could find his arse using both hands, him beating his brother was the beginning of the end for Labour and led to the shit show that is Corbyn and friends.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Wills2

The other Miliband would have not so sure Ed could find his arse using both hands, him beating his brother was the beginning of the end for Labour and led to the shit show that is Corbyn and friends.

Absolutely - it was Ed's decision to open voting membership to anyone who paid them £3, which opened the door to the extremist stuff we see today. That decision destroyed the Labour Party.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by JD6

Absolutely - it was Ed's decision to open voting membership to anyone who paid them £3, which opened the door to the extremist stuff we see today. That decision destroyed the Labour Party.

Indeed and didn't they allow him through to the ballot as a sop to the left fully expecting him to be trounced? (I might have dreamt that)

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by JD6

Absolutely - it was Ed's decision to open voting membership to anyone who paid them £3, which opened the door to the extremist stuff we see today. That decision destroyed the Labour Party.

Not forgetting Corbyn's influence. Thirty five odd years as an anonymous backbencher with a hard left and often controversial agenda, with a consistent track record of voting against his own govt when they were in power. Was always going to appeal to a certain tranche of labour supporters, who have now morphed into Momentum.
Edit: they have some good MPs but the leadership is a disaster.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Indeed and didn't they allow him through to the ballot as a sop to the left fully expecting him to be trounced? (I might have dreamt that)

Yes I remember that he was unable to get enough support from MPs to be included in the group to be put to the membership, so some moderate Labour MPs voted for him to ensure a broad range of candidates. The rest is (a rather depressing) history...

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by JD6

Yes I remember that he was unable to get enough support from MPs to be included in the group to be put to the membership, so some moderate Labour MPs voted for him to ensure a broad range of candidates. The rest is (a rather depressing) history...

Jesus Christ, I rather hoped I'd dreamt that.....

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by JD6

I agree that Corbyn is a problem, and I have no idea how or if they will get around that one. Perhaps a collection of leaders - Corbyn, Swinson, Wee Jimmy...

God help us if that ever transpires - the political equivalent of the Tellytubbies.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Watsey

God help us if that ever transpires - the political equivalent of the Tellytubbies.

Yes it would come as quite a shock after the strong and stable government of recent times

[Wills2]

Wobbly and precarious is one thing a gaping sink hole where the gov should be is quite another.

[RobUK]

The 'Boris Bus' maker Wrightbus has gone into administration... wonder if it's a sign?

Sadly this does mean 1,400 Wrightbus jobs are at risk.

[JNW1]

The Attorney General Geoffrey Cox described the current Parliament as "dead" on several occasions during his address earlier today and that sounds about right to me. Whether a GE will alter the arithmetic so that progress can be made remains to be seen but it's clear the current situation isn't doing anyone - or more importantly the country - any good. In the absence of a credible alternative government in waiting in the existing House of Commons we need a GE and soon IMO...

[zofinger]

Originally Posted by JNW1

The Attorney General Geoffrey Cox described the current Parliament as "dead" on several occasions during his address earlier today and that sounds about right to me. Whether a GE will alter the arithmetic so that progress can be made remains to be seen but it's clear the current situation isn't doing anyone - or more importantly the country - any good. In the absence of a credible alternative government in waiting in the existing House of Commons we need a GE and soon IMO...

+ 1. Suspect a motion will come forward requesting a GE superseding the FTPA and forcing JC, the LDs and SNP to walk through the 'no' lobby rather than abstaining. The more the opposition resist, the more they look ridiculous IMO.

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by JNW1

The Attorney General Geoffrey Cox described the current Parliament as "dead" on several occasions during his address earlier today and that sounds about right to me. Whether a GE will alter the arithmetic so that progress can be made remains to be seen but it's clear the current situation isn't doing anyone - or more importantly the country - any good. In the absence of a credible alternative government in waiting in the existing House of Commons we need a GE and soon IMO...

I totally agree.

Parliament has lost the ability to function; Brexit is being frustrated or simply blocked; the clock continues ticking; stalemate.

Put the electorate back in the driving seat. GE as soon as possible, but with one big risk - a Lab-Lib coalition with Corbyn at the helm.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by JNW1

The Attorney General Geoffrey Cox described the current Parliament as "dead" on several occasions during his address earlier today and that sounds about right to me. Whether a GE will alter the arithmetic so that progress can be made remains to be seen but it's clear the current situation isn't doing anyone - or more importantly the country - any good. In the absence of a credible alternative government in waiting in the existing House of Commons we need a GE and soon IMO...

I was listening to David Miliband opine on this today, as he said the issue is if we have a GE before Brexit is settled we're just going to end up with the same situation overall, his view was we must settle the Brexit question and then have a GE.

I agree with him.

[zofinger]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I was listening to David Miliband opine on this today, as he said the issue is if we have a GE before Brexit is settled we're just going to end up with the same situation overall, his view was we must settle the Brexit question and then have a GE.

I agree with him.

He didn't say how to settle Brexit did he?

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by zofinger

He didn't say how to settle Brexit did he?

No just that a GE wouldn't solve it.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by zofinger

He didn't say how to settle Brexit did he?

I have a pretty good idea what David Milliband means by settle Brexit