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      02-19-2019, 10:13 PM   #1
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Why black out license plates of baddies in videos you post?

I understand blacking out the license plate of cars driven by innocent bystanders. But I never understand why the originator of videos would protect the identity of the douche bags.
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I understand blacking out the license plate of cars driven by innocent bystanders. But I never understand why the originator of videos would protect the identity of the douche bags.
Depending on where you live it can be illegal to share as the person is still entitled to protect their privacy, so why take the chance?
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Depending on where you live it can be illegal to share as the person is still entitled to protect their privacy, so why take the chance?
I'd like to know where that would be the case. Because even in some of the most restrictive privacy law states, when you're out in public, your rights to privacy go away. Especially in situations such as what was captured in the video with being on a public road.
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Depending on where you live it can be illegal to share as the person is still entitled to protect their privacy, so why take the chance?
I'd like to know where that would be the case. Because even in some of the most restrictive privacy law states, when you're out in public, your rights to privacy go away. Especially in situations such as what was captured in the video with being on a public road.
Two way recording consent states for one. Why run the risk?
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Two way recording consent states for one. Why run the risk?
AFAIK two party consent states concerns audio only. Again, AFAIK: Video is legal to record anywhere, in public, in the United States. Other countries, of course, have different laws, but with the proliferation of security cameras I suspect public video recording is probably legal most places.
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Two way recording consent states for one. Why run the risk?
AFAIK two party consent states concerns audio only. Again, AFAIK: Video is legal to record anywhere, in public, in the United States. Other countries, of course, have different laws, but with the proliferation of security cameras I suspect public video recording is probably legal most places.
There is security exemptions etc. for retailers, homeowners, and the like for video. Not to mention that even if that moron brings a defamation suit (which he would lose) would still cost $50-100k just to win the motion to dismiss. So again, why run the risk?
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There is security exemptions etc. for retailers, homeowners, and the like for video. Not to mention that even if that moron brings a defamation suit (which he would lose) would still cost $50-100k just to win the motion to dismiss. So again, why run the risk?
I'd need to some some evidence that standing on the street with your phone in your hand recording randomly is in any way illegal or actionable. Some police departments (most notably Baltimore, IIRC) have tried to argue this point, especially as it pertains to police officers doing their duty and had the DoJ come down hard on that, multiple times.

If it were illegal to video public streets, events, etc then the news would have a hard time, especially when there's 1000s of people somewhere.

I'm pretty sure defamation would require you to edit the video or have you make statements regarding the situation.

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There is security exemptions etc. for retailers, homeowners, and the like for video. Not to mention that even if that moron brings a defamation suit (which he would lose) would still cost $50-100k just to win the motion to dismiss. So again, why run the risk?
I'd need to some some evidence that standing on the street with your phone in your hand recording randomly is in any way illegal or actionable. Some police departments (most notably Baltimore, IIRC) have tried to argue this point, especially as it pertains to police officers doing their duty and had the DoJ come down hard on that, multiple times.

If it were illegal to video public streets, events, etc then the news would have a hard time, especially when there's 1000s of people somewhere.

I'm pretty sure defamation would require you to edit the video or have you make statements regarding the situation.

https://www.videomaker.com/article/c...-your-subjects
Ok. Considering I'm an attorney that works in this space, let me just say that you are misreading what I am writing.

Never did I say it was "illegal" to record a persons' license plate. There are first amendment concerns when recording police officers that's not at play here. Nevertheless, I never implied criminal liability or wiretapping laws. There may, however, be civil liability in a two way consent state depending if your recording on a dash cam does or does not fall under an exception.

You are conflating two different ideas. News organizations, people recording celebrities, etc have first amendment considerations/defenses which do not apply to that situation. However, there are laws against recording people without there consent, e.g., children of celebrities in California. On top of that, even news organizations blur plates etc unless there is a confirmed indictment etc and even then they are cautious (see reason why below).

In addition, no shit they would lose a defamation case (which I even said in my earlier post in a parenthetical) but, given how litigious our society is and people are (see, e.g., orange child in the oval) people sue for defamation all of the time without having a leg to stand on. Courts don't just throw those cases out on a whim, you would need to file a motion to dismiss, which, in a defamation case, can run you up to $50-100k just to have a lawyer file a halfway decent brief.

So, and I say this again, why run the risk?

At the end of the day dude, you do you, but don't expect everyone to have the same risk profile as you. Because getting sued, even if the other side will never win, still costs more than the average person has the ability to afford in defending in the preliminary motion stage. So if blurring out a plate on a video helps reduce that risk, then let him do that. When it's your video, you do whatever you want.
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Ok. Considering I'm an attorney that works in this space, let me just say that you are misreading what I am writing.

Never did I say it was "illegal" to record a persons' license plate. There are first amendment concerns when recording police officers that's not at play here. Nevertheless, I never implied criminal liability or wiretapping laws. There may, however, be civil liability in a two way consent state depending if your recording on a dash cam does or does not fall under an exception.

You are conflating two different ideas. News organizations, people recording celebrities, etc have first amendment considerations/defenses which do not apply to that situation. However, there are laws against recording people without there consent, e.g., children of celebrities in California. On top of that, even news organizations blur plates etc unless there is a confirmed indictment etc and even then they are cautious (see reason why below).

In addition, no shit they would lose a defamation case (which I even said in my earlier post in a parenthetical) but, given how litigious our society is and people are (see, e.g., orange child in the oval) people sue for defamation all of the time without having a leg to stand on. Courts don't just throw those cases out on a whim, you would need to file a motion to dismiss, which, in a defamation case, can run you up to $50-100k just to have a lawyer file a halfway decent brief.

So, and I say this again, why run the risk?

At the end of the day dude, you do you, but don't expect everyone to have the same risk profile as you. Because getting sued, even if the other side will never win, still costs more than the average person has the ability to afford in defending in the preliminary motion stage. So if blurring out a plate on a video helps reduce that risk, then let him do that. When it's your video, you do whatever you want.
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Ok. Considering I'm an attorney that works in this space, let me just say that you are misreading what I am writing.

Never did I say it was "illegal" to record a persons' license plate. There are first amendment concerns when recording police officers that's not at play here. Nevertheless, I never implied criminal liability or wiretapping laws. There may, however, be civil liability in a two way consent state depending if your recording on a dash cam does or does not fall under an exception.

You are conflating two different ideas. News organizations, people recording celebrities, etc have first amendment considerations/defenses which do not apply to that situation. However, there are laws against recording people without there consent, e.g., children of celebrities in California. On top of that, even news organizations blur plates etc unless there is a confirmed indictment etc and even then they are cautious (see reason why below).

In addition, no shit they would lose a defamation case (which I even said in my earlier post in a parenthetical) but, given how litigious our society is and people are (see, e.g., orange child in the oval) people sue for defamation all of the time without having a leg to stand on. Courts don't just throw those cases out on a whim, you would need to file a motion to dismiss, which, in a defamation case, can run you up to $50-100k just to have a lawyer file a halfway decent brief.

So, and I say this again, why run the risk?

At the end of the day dude, you do you, but don't expect everyone to have the same risk profile as you. Because getting sued, even if the other side will never win, still costs more than the average person has the ability to afford in defending in the preliminary motion stage. So if blurring out a plate on a video helps reduce that risk, then let him do that. When it's your video, you do whatever you want.
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Oh thats not stereotypical at all,

how 'lawyerly' of you
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As a private citizen I have a, "reasonable expectation of privacy" in my day to day life. This means that I can expect to not be made the object and star of a video as I'm shopping at Whole Foods without my permission but it doesn't mean that I can't be inadvertently filmed as I walk down a street with hundreds of other people.

The same thing goes with driving my car. The i8 is the worst because everyone wants a picture of the car, in the car or driving by the car. It can be problematic as I don't want to appear in everyone's Facebook or Instagram feeds (I have.)

There is some that you have to expect as you move through life but to be the wanton object of someone basically infringing on your right to privacy is something we should all be free of.

Law , can you chime in on this topic? Thanks!!
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I totally understand where the M6er is coming from-living with an exotic car has drawbacks and features numerous incursions into one's normal privacy. It can be unbearable at times like trying to fill a vehicle at the gas station and having to talk to every Tom, Dick and Harry about it and your life. Sounds like a minor complaint but who needs videos or pics on social media, especially if you are a person who desires privacy.
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Oh thats not stereotypical at all,

how 'lawyerly' of you
It's not a stereotype if I'm saying the truth about myself.....? How does that have to do with legality? Aren't you Canadian anyway? Get out here with your Tim Horton's sniping hahahahaha

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Why blur out license

FTFY, just in case living in Vt.
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I don't really understand the OP's term "baddies". Is it people who are recorded doing bad things?
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I don't really understand the OP's term "baddies". Is it people who are recorded doing bad things?
It was in response to my other thread about instant karma of a guy who ran a red light because of road rage getting into an accident. The mods must have split his questions and the conversation that arose from it into a different thread so it reads out of context.
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If the person driving the car is not the rightful owner of the vehicle (say a friend) it may potentially be incriminating on the actual owner and therefore I can see a lawsuit happening.

As mentioned above why run the risk?
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It was in response to my other thread about instant karma of a guy who ran a red light because of road rage getting into an accident. The mods must have split his questions and the conversation that arose from it into a different thread so it reads out of context.
I see, I guess I didn't get the context since it was out from another thread.

I can see it being respectful of their privacy. You don't want a lynch mob of people going after the "baddie" because their license plate shows up on youtube or something. The person already paid the price for his stupidity.

I really hate how social media distorts reality and creates this vigilante mob mentality... let the law deal with it.
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It's not a stereotype if I'm saying the truth about myself.....? How does that have to do with legality? Aren't you Canadian anyway? Get out here with your Tim Horton's sniping hahahahaha

You mentioned the brown part, as if brown ppl are just 'supposed'to be hating the orangeman

Sry dude, not everyone, brown or not, watches MSNBC/CNN all day and hates the middle class,
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It's not a stereotype if I'm saying the truth about myself.....? How does that have to do with legality? Aren't you Canadian anyway? Get out here with your Tim Horton's sniping hahahahaha

You mentioned the brown part, as if brown ppl are just 'supposed'to be hating the orangeman

Sry dude, not everyone, brown or not, watches MSNBC/CNN all day and hates the middle class,
Now who is talking in stereotypes. I said brown veteran, talking about myself and not all brown people or veterans. But sure, only three news outlets exist. Ok, man. You do you. Hypocrisy and snowflake nature of Orangeman worshippers is a funny thing.
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I think the pole up peoples' ass (not referring to anyone in this thread in particular)

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