[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by F30Andy

They probably "saved" a few tonnes of it from a civil engineering job to use for their jobs on the side.

Again for me this boils down to being the lesser of two evils.

Robbing a small limited company where a couple of tonnes going missing will effect a lot of people I would not be cool with and would pass on accepting their services.

Robbing a large PLC where no one is even going to notice a few tonnes of the black stuff has gone missing I can live with.

I respect this may seem abnormal and wrong in some people's eyes, but again, you asked so I answered.

Too right - a bit like not paying the tax you should... and of course robbing a plc is robbing the shareholders, the pension funds for people saving for retirement like me...

You clearly have no morals, that's fine it's your choice. I do and think people like you with wealthy lifestyles robbing people worse off than them are complete shisters...

[Derrymilk]

Originally Posted by Watsey

Now, the roofer may be a straight-up guy and a decent chap. But, you shook on the deal, and my understanding is that in the travelling community a man's word is all that matters. You could call and explain that money is a bit tight, and it might be fine. Or it might not.

......you’re now marrying his sister

[F30Andy]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

You clearly have no morals, that's fine it's your choice.

I do, they are just different to yours.

Judge me once you have walked a mile in my shoes.

As I said I respect that some people may see my opinion as abnormal or wrong.
I respect your opinion too, thank you for it.

[Derrymilk]

Originally Posted by TouringPleb

All very Nazi..

And after the gypsies or "Pikeys" who's next? The homosexuals? The communists? Any other group you take a dislike too? Maybe people with too many England flags outside their house? Or not enough England flags? Who? The Muslims? Blacks? How about the Jews? Everyone hates the Jews don't they? What about illegal immigrants? I'm sure in your world they deserve to be rounded up and sterilised.

I really hope your comment was you trying to be Johnny Big Balls and maybe a 'joke' but I suspect not.

Yea.......and what about the Irish?

[Soul_Glo]

Originally Posted by GT_Man

Your probably right

You're

[Cuprat]

I used one to clear out an over grown area of garden at my new house. Worked really hard and was happy to be paid into a bank account. Only odd thing was he kept adding free extras to the job e.g. power washing the drive!

Would I use one for a more skilled job... Not unless I had a recommendation from someone I know but that would apply to any trades person.

[GT_Man]

Originally Posted by Surg_Capt_R

You're

You're abit of a twat

[Nobby Clark]

Originally Posted by F30Andy

There are some on here that will tell you I'm probably not the best person to be asking that question to.

However you have asked so I will answer........

To me them doing cash in hand work and not paying tax on it is the lesser of two evils.

At the end of the day they could choose to do what many of their brethren do and enter your home while you and your family are sleeping and ransack it.
They could then fill your car with a load of your worldly possessions and drive off with it.

I know which of the two I would rather they do.

I look at it like paying them to do a bit of cash in hand is preventing them from having the need to make money in very nasty ways.

You probably don't look at it like that, but as I said you asked so I answered.

So it's not the "honest hard graft" that you claim.

The "good ones" as you put it, will do some work and steal from HMRC (income tax payers) rather than directly from your home. Seems kind of like blackmail if you ask me.

The bad ones will simply turn your house over.

Originally Posted by GT_Man

you most definately dont have the balls to say how you feel about the travelling community to the travelling community becuase you know what would happen

Sums it up nicely. The travelling community would resort to immediate violence. Any civilised person would just say, "Aye right, jog on mate. Who you kidding and walk away".

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When people think of travellers, remember this...?

https://metro.co.uk/2018/04/10/pensi...venge-7453766/

[225]

Going by my experience of the travelling folk over the last 40odd years I wouldn't trust any of them.

As an example I worked on a market for many year and you could tell the day a large group of travellers pitched up somewhere near as thefts went up and a load of balshy very young kids would blatantly steel in front of you. Every time you caught one you would get an ear full from them and the parents accusing you of racism etc as they proudly stood watching their 11 year old pocket goods for free.

All I have seen is a once normal bit of field, verge, park, garden is taken over by a load of caravans and range rovers for a few days and ruined with god knows how much rubbish left everywhere.

[OneExtra]

Originally Posted by GT_Man

You're abit of a twat

You're just as bad as Alex from Chesterfield, he was an argumentative snowflake as well.

[Torque of the Devil]

Sub-human scum, they could even be the missing link between Humans and Apes

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by Torque of the Devil

Sub-human scum, they could even be the missing link between Humans and Apes

Yeah, but when are they going to quote for the roof ???

[Kendo67]

The wife deals with them on a daily basis and has never had anything decent to say about any of them , they are always on the "take" and are always wanting a "deal" on soiled items that they have damaged themselves before trying to pay for them.

Dare to question them about their attempted blagging and there are threats of violence and intimidation against staff regarding following them home and we will find out where you stay etc. Any person who does that to young people and middle aged women are scum in my book and all for a burst bag of sand / cement.

No time for them , at all.

Kenny

[Ss66]

Originally Posted by Watsey

Yeah, but when are they going to quote for the roof ???

Think they were about to get to that, until the camera ran out of charge.

[GT_Man]

Originally Posted by OneExtra

You're just as bad as Alex from Chesterfield, he was an argumentative snowflake as well.

I guess I am then if I dont share the same views as you and challenge them.

Also may I add ive been on this forum a while and this is my 1st argument, not really even an argument just a different view of opinion but if that makes me an argumentative person then thats what I am.

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Had plenty run in with them over most of my life.

The Old Fold in Gateshead was full of them, I went to school with some.

I will refer to Gypsys as Them, as there is no us, as us lot are not part of their community etc.

As loads of people stole from everyone it was never a case of blaming anyone, while they stole from us lot, we never stole from them, as a minimum it would mean broken limbs if caught.

Roll on a few years and most of the places I have lived have been rural, they are the only people I know that can terrorise a small village, cause over a £100k in damage, most of it deliberate, eventually get evicted and then parish council have to clean up.

I have had some jobs done by them, most are reasonable tradesman, had roof facial bits done by some I know.

In small does some are okay, however a a community at large they seem to go out of their way to cause as much damage as possible, refuse to clean up and trash decent areas.

They do as much as they can to perpetuate the hate and dislike to them.

If they want to fit in, don't trash areas, clean up, don't terrorise local villages and communities with their usual hardman tactics.

If they are unable to do that, then I utterly fail to see how anyone can defend them.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/98...uman-excrement

In Cambridgeshire a number of villages have a local alarm / callout system if travellers are in the area.

Similar problems where I live, leafy suburban Surrey. Currently a big problem with 'travellers' pitching up in parks etc, threatening anyone else that wants to use it, then eventually leaving, with a big cleanup operation in their wake. It's cost the council 10s of thousands.

They recently broke into grounds of office block awaiting redevelopment, about a mile from here. Beat up the security guard, stole some listed statues, and when they eventually left, it was clear that some of the vehicles were not taxed / insured. But of course nothing was done about that.

[creepy coupe]

I could watch this all day.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by GT_Man

I guess I am then if I dont share the same views as you and challenge them.

Also may I add ive been on this forum a while and this is my 1st argument, not really even an argument just a different view of opinion but if that makes me an argumentative person then thats what I am.

Can I ask what makes you so defensive and full of love for the traveller community then? As you are clearly well in the miniroty here

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by F30Andy

I do, they are just different to yours.

Judge me once you have walked a mile in my shoes.

As I said I respect that some people may see my opinion as abnormal or wrong.
I respect your opinion too, thank you for it.

Well morals are the principles of right and wrong - so if yours are different then your definition of wrong is different..... and there are some grey areas about what is right and wrong, although tax evasion and drug taking are not up for debate for most people....

If I walked a mile in your shoes I might be accused of stealing them - and that doesn't fit with my morals as its illegal.....

To me morals don't change based on how tough your life has been or what you have lived for, wrong is wrong whatever your history....

[nordberg]

Originally Posted by creepy coupe

I could watch this all day.

Really?

[1966-TR4]

Originally Posted by creepy coupe

I could watch this all day.

Which bit did you enjoy most? - kids screaming in fear or police threatening arrest for the non offence of filming them?