[Brotherhef]

Have 1st track day coming and I'm putting EBC yellow stuff on in next couple of days. I usually just grab the cheap, no brand grease for my previous cars pad swaps, but wanted to see if anyone had a preference. I only plan to track a couple days per year. Im probably overthinking, but I've been told to stay away from copper these days?

Local options:
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...ake+pad+grease CRC

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...k-4/12024852-p Sil-glyde

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...ke+anti-squeal Permatex

Open to other options, but prefer something I can pick up local tomorrow. Any input appreciated!

[FaRKle!]

I don't really bother greasing my pads anymore. It won't hold up to the heat of the track.

[Kinglagos]

I use liqui moly anti squeal paste. It's rated for 1000C and it lasts ok for the the lifetime of the pads on trackdays.

[Brotherhef]

Originally Posted by FaRKle!

I don't really bother greasing my pads anymore. It won't hold up to the heat of the track.

Originally Posted by Kinglagos

I use liqui moly anti squeal paste. It's rated for 1000C and it lasts ok for the the lifetime of the pads on trackdays.

Thanks for the reply guys. Have you tried the permatex extreme? It says 3000f. Even if it was off by 1000f, still should hold up I would think?

[Billfitz]

I was low on grease so I got Permatex Extreme. It works. The purple color makes it easy to see on my silver painted calipers. A year after using it I can still see it, so it doesn't melt or wash off. It's very inexpensive on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Brotherhef]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

I was low on grease so I got Permatex Extreme. It works. The purple color makes it easy to see on my silver painted calipers. A year after using it I can still see it, so it doesn't melt or wash off. It's very inexpensive on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...UTF8&psc=1

Thanks for the reply. Have you tracked with that grease or just spirted driving around town?

[Watsey]

I use a ceramic grease, and it holds up reasonably well.

However, a word of experience regarding EBC Yellows. They are, or at least they were when I tried them ~3 years ago, absolute rubbish. They faded badly with semi-fast road use, and melted (literally) on a track evening. After less than a lap the brake pedal was going long and I had to do cool down laps - ruined my session.

I highly recommend Pagid. I run RS4-2 for the fronts and RSL19 for the rears, and use these for road and track. Cold bite is good, they take the heat on track very well, and they're kind to rotors. Yes they dust, and they can squeal (re-greasing the backing plates and clearing out the rotor grooves helps a lot) but this doesn't detract from the performance benefits IMO.

[Brotherhef]

Originally Posted by Watsey

I use a ceramic grease, and it holds up reasonably well.

However, a word of experience regarding EBC Yellows. They are, or at least they were when I tried them ~3 years ago, absolute rubbish. They faded badly with semi-fast road use, and melted (literally) on a track evening. After less than a lap the brake pedal was going long and I had to do cool down laps - ruined my session.

I highly recommend Pagid. I run RS4-2 for the fronts and RSL19 for the rears, and use these for road and track. Cold bite is good, they take the hear on track very well, and they're kind to rotors. Yes they dust, and they can squeal (re-greasing the backing plates and clearing out the rotor grooves helps a lot) but this detract from the performance benefits IMO.

Thanks for the reply and info! Fingers crossed. First track day, so hopefully they will make it one day. I'll give pagid a try next round.

[MacklinUSOB]

I had the same on-track experience as Watsey with the Yellows albeit no problems on the street side of things. Wouldn't buy them again, that's for sure.

Definitely going to pick up some of the ceramic grease linked above.

[Brotherhef]

Originally Posted by MacklinUSOB

I had the same on-track experience as Watsey with the Yellows albeit no problems on the street side of things. Wouldn't buy them again, that's for sure.

Definitely going to pick up some of the ceramic grease linked above.

What pad did you end up liking for the track?

[oceanview]

Originally Posted by Brotherhef

What pad did you end up liking for the track?

https://ebcbrakes.com/ebc-brake-pad-selector-tool/

RedStuff and YellowStuff are for heavy street use (good cold brake, very good warm brake behavior on street/highway, good wet brake)
They are not meant for track days of n-laps.

People should not blame it on the pads, if they are not able understand what the product they choose is made for!

Because of its huge heat range, the applications where EBC Yellowstuff will deliver benefits range from fastest street use on higher horsepower cars and race use on most street based cars and even as a brake upgrade on Trucks and SUV. Yellowstuff is especially appreciated on Trucks for towing and heavy loads and where wheel and tire oversize upgrades have been fitted. In longer races EBC Bluestuff NDX or the new EBC Orangestuff grades should be considered

The temperatures reached between the pad and the rotor in normal daily driving is around 350 to 450 C. In track day use temperatures can shoot up to 700-800C and in full race use even higher. This requires two totally different approaches to what is the best brake pad for your needs.

There are many good articles to read and then choose the right product for street or track.
https://ebcbrakes.com/ebc-technical-...-ec0fb519-6317

From top: RedStuff/YellowStuff/BlueStuff/OrangeStuff






OrangeStuff comment:


The lower curve on Lapsim 2 is the toughest test we can really do on a dyno, simulates massive brake energy and discs glowing bright orange through the brake cycle, highly doubtful any driver would race to these temps but the pads still held on to a very decent level of friction. Important to note that on this second test the cooling was halved, simulating a poorly vented brake system that can occur on street based cars without improved ducting.

The disc temps shot up to over 1000C here at the end of the stops and the friction dropped but there was still a decent brake effect as shown below. This is an unusual test to do and not realistic but this was a test to the very limits and Orangestuff survived. We also doubt if any manufacturer would ever A) Run or B) Dare to publish such results but there you go.
Source: https://ebcbrakes.com/product/orange-stuff/

[Watsey]

As I said, Yellows fade badly with fast road use as well.

Crap pads. End of.

[Brotherhef]

Originally Posted by oceanview

https://ebcbrakes.com/ebc-brake-pad-selector-tool/

RedStuff and YellowStuff are for heavy street use (good cold brake, very good warm brake behavior on street/highway, good wet brake)
They are not meant for track days of n-laps.

People should not blame it on the pads, if they are not able understand what the product they choose is made for!

First, thanks for the long reply. I now realize I should have added a little more info to my question. I was in search of a pad I could drive to and from the track and also be ok driving around town the week following track day. I wasn't looking to change pads at the track on my first track day. When I bought the yellow, I was looking at a "light duty track pad" for my 1st event. I wasn't looking to spend $650 for rsl29 or wanting to buy a pad only use for track at this time. (Will defiantly buy if I get the bug and want to go more than twice a year.) I had looked at power stop sports, yellowstuff, and hawk 5.0. Based off a couple recommendations, I went EBC.

Added: new to this. Still learning. Have read tons and an overwhelming amount of options. Thanks again!

[zinner]

I use the purple ceramic stuff. I also use STOPTECH sport at the track and they are wonderful once you get a bit of heat into them. Never had fade.

[Brotherhef]

Originally Posted by zinner

I use the purple ceramic stuff. I also use powerstop sport at the track and they are wonderful once you get a bit of heat into them. Never had fade.

Almost went with those. May try those next.

[oceanview]

Originally Posted by Watsey

As I said, Yellows fade badly with fast road use as well.

Crap pads. End of.

Are you sure the pads fade? Couldn't it also be the brake fluid that starts boiling because the YellowStuff create more heat than the pads you use now?
I mean, how can you tell without measuring rotor temps? Just wondering.

It would be interesting to see a professional test/comparison of different pads and to see, what the reason is, when fading occurs (and what temperature the different pads/rotor have when they start to fade).
i.e. do a bunch of 100-0 stop. measure the braking distance and rotor surface temp after each stop until fading occurs.

I have the YellowStuff on (all around) no problems/fading so far. But haven't been tracking yet.

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by oceanview

Are you sure the pads fade? Couldn't it also be the brake fluid that starts boiling because the YellowStuff create more heat than the pads you use now?
I mean, how can you tell without measuring rotor temps? Just wondering.

It would be interesting to see a professional test/comparison of different pads and to see, what the reason is, when fading occurs (and what temperature the different pads/rotor have when they start to fade).
i.e. do a bunch of 100-0 stop. measure the braking distance and rotor surface temp after each stop until fading occurs.

I have the YellowStuff on (all around) no problems/fading so far. But haven't been tracking yet.

It's definitely not fluid related.

I've had Yellows fade badly after just two long/hard retardations on the road. Let's just say it was 'spirited' driving on country roads that I've driven for the past 30+ years and I know where I can push when I'm trying to make the 180 mile journey in good time. Night driving and the light traffic helps progress

On track they melted. When I took the pads out the next day the pad compound had disintegrated and had formed gloopy deposits around the remaining pad material. When I bled the fluid (to check its condition) there weren't any bubbles.

I accept that 335D front brakes are not comparable to the Stoptech Trophy setup that I now run (fluid is the same : ATE DOT4), but the Pagids have been superb. They're in a completely different league.

[Brotherhef]

Originally Posted by Watsey

It's definitely not fluid related.

I've had Yellows fade badly after just two long/hard retardations on the road. Let's just say it was 'spirited' driving on country roads that I've driven for the past 30+ years and I know where I can push when I'm trying to make the 180 mile journey in good time. Night driving and the light traffic helps progress

On track they melted. When I took the pads out the next day the pad compound had disintegrated and had formed gloopy deposits around the remaining pad material. When I bled the fluid (to check its condition) there weren't any bubbles.

I accept that 335D front brakes are not comparable to the Stoptech Trophy setup that I now run (fluid is the same : ATE DOT4), but the Pagids have been superb. They're in a completely different league.

Can you tell me what year you tried yellowstuff? I heard they changed the compound a couple years back?

If I end up getting addicted I'll defiantly bite the bullet and try some pagid or I've also read PFC08.

[Eschmacher]

I ran yellow stuff on my GTI for multiple years in a row, and they actually survived some pretty significant track runs and never faded on me. My issues were always fluid.

I just put yellow stuff on my 335i when I upgraded to the 370/345 calipers and god damn are they strong. Went for a spirited run on some back roads a few weeks ago and once they get warmed up they just get better, didn't have any fading issues.

[FaRKle!]

Originally Posted by Brotherhef

If I end up getting addicted I'll defiantly bite the bullet and try some pagid or I've also read PFC08.

I like the PFC08s more than the RSL29s. They're a bit harder to modulate (pedal becomes touchier), but the bite and pedal effort to get more braking force is much better.

[TK335iMSPT]

Originally Posted by Eschmacher

I ran yellow stuff on my GTI for multiple years in a row, and they actually survived some pretty significant track runs and never faded on me. My issues were always fluid.

I just put yellow stuff on my 335i when I upgraded to the 370/345 calipers and god damn are they strong. Went for a spirited run on some back roads a few weeks ago and once they get warmed up they just get better, didn't have any fading issues.

Any noise when warm or cold? How's the initial bite compared to oem?

[Eschmacher]

I would say the initial bite is identical or maybe a little less than oem, but they ramp up very well. Feels very controllable. I get very occasional squeals when warming up. I'm very picky about car sounds and these don't bother me.