[NotGotABimmer23]

Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

Unfortunately the 14 days are up with the finance company in which I have the right to withdraw. This is the 14th day so it wouldn't be beneficial for me to do these checks since I don't have that right after today.

Thanks though everyone.

This has nothing to do with rejection. 14 days is to change your mind about taking finance, not returning the car.

[C0nn0r91]

Originally Posted by kylemacca01

This has nothing to do with rejection. 14 days is to change your mind about taking finance, not returning the car.

I wasn't certain whether that would effect things, but In the mean time i have spoken to the finance company anyway to make them aware of the problems and for advice.

I haven't been through this process before so it's all new to me. I hope I don't have to go through it again.

I appreciate everyone's input.

[NotGotABimmer23]

Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

I wasn't certain whether that would effect things, but In the mean time i have spoken to the finance company anyway to make them aware of the problems and for advice.

I haven't been through this process before so it's all new to me. I hope I don't have to go through it again.

I appreciate everyone's input.

Yeah its crap, i rejected a car a while ago and tbf to the dealer it was pretty painless. The advantage of going to bmw rather than an independent.

[Steveo.G]

Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

Thanks all, yes the tailpipes are covered in soot after a short journey. And the seller is an independent dealership. They have many high end cars.

That will be my next step to take it to an mot testing station and get them to perform an emissions test.

If it does pass then I'll be very surprised!

The dealer is sending me documentation and proof of the emissions as well so it will be good to compare the results.

Thanks,
Connor.

If it doesn't pass then it's a case for the trading standards I'd say.
Met a few shady car dealers in my time and they tend to know all of the tricks when it comes to pulling the wool over someone's eyes.
I feel for you mate as I've been on the wrong side of a dodgy car sale before

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

Thanks all, yes the tailpipes are covered in soot after a short journey. And the seller is an independent dealership. They have many high end cars.

That will be my next step to take it to an mot testing station and get them to perform an emissions test.

If it does pass then I'll be very surprised!

The dealer is sending me documentation and proof of the emissions as well so it will be good to compare the results.

Thanks,
Connor.

Don't hang about .. get it tested and if necessary rejected this week, as it's a lot easier if you do it within the first 30 days after purchase

[C0nn0r91]

I'm going to try and get it booked in at the end of this week when I finish shift. I'll post up whether the emissions come back as alright or not. If they're good then there must be another reason for the smoke and fumes. But it seems likely its the dpf.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

Thanks all, yes the tailpipes are covered in soot after a short journey. And the seller is an independent dealership. They have many high end cars.

That will be my next step to take it to an mot testing station and get them to perform an emissions test.

If it does pass then I'll be very surprised!

The dealer is sending me documentation and proof of the emissions as well so it will be good to compare the results.

Thanks,
Connor.

Sounds like the dealer has dug in. Disappointing.

I think you have 4 options:

1. Take it for an MOT test. Be warned though, a failure supersedes any pass you had. And a major failure means the car can no longer be driven on a public road. So be prepared to get the car collected on low loader ( I doubt you'd want to have to put all that right on your own to get back to a drivable state).

2. Take it to an independent, equipped with a boroscope. They can remove one of the lambda sensors and slide the scope through the hole to view the contents of the DPF. No doubt it will be empty. Take pics. I would imagine, as running a car without a DPF is illegal, it would not go down well with a professional car dealer selling cars in an illegal state. There is also a strong link that the MOT ( MOT station implication too) was doctored.

3. Take it to BMW and get them to comment on the the springs, smoke, etc. They could carry out the MOT test, or the smoke test part of it (expressly not an MOT test for reasons given above).

4. Get RAC/AA inspection done. Probably the best route as it looks like the seller isn't going to go without a fight. Carries the most weight as an independent inspection. They should pick up on exhaust, suspension and DPF issues.

Good luck!

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Sounds like the dealer has dug in. Disappointing.

I think you have 4 options:

1. Take it for an MOT test. Be warned though, a failure supersedes any pass you had. And a major failure means the car can no longer be driven on a public road. So be prepared to get the car collected on low loader ( I doubt you'd want to have to put all that right on your own to get back to a drivable state).

2. Take it to an independent, equipped with a boroscope. They can remove one of the lambda sensors and slide the scope through the hole to view the contents of the DPF. No doubt it will be empty. Take pics. I would imagine, as running a car without a DPF is illegal, it would not go down well with a professional car dealer selling cars in an illegal state. There is also a strong link that the MOT ( MOT station implication too) was doctored.

3. Take it to BMW and get them to comment on the the springs, smoke, etc. They could carry out the MOT test, or the smoke test part of it (expressly not an MOT test for reasons given above).

4. Get RAC/AA inspection done. Probably the best route as it looks like the seller isn't going to go without a fight. Carries the most weight as an independent inspection. They should pick up on exhaust, suspension and DPF issues.

Good luck!

Great advice Gordon - of those options I'd go with #3. BMW should be best placed to categorically report on the state of the vehicle and any mods - RAC/AA may be able to visually inspect the DPF but may not be as knowledgeable regarding other components specific to each make and model.

[Hooded]

Dont hang about whichever route you decide to take. You've had the car over 2 weeks now and only have up to 30 days from purchase to reject the car if it's not fit for purpose. After that you have to give them chance to fix it first before you can reject it.

[C0nn0r91]

Thanks for the advice, everyone it's really appreciated.

From the point of me picking up the car, I've had it 11 days. Going to book it in for an emissions test at an mot station first and if it fails then I'll go to bmw!

Thanks,
Connor.

[Smee]

i think some of you saying reject the car cos its smokes is offering bad advice. the first port of call for me would be putting it on a rolling road. £35 and you will know the power out put and also video it smoking for evidence.

in theory the DPF in these is safe with a remap but it has been known that you can over fuel and get smoke even on these robust DPF's and then there was that guy who blow his DPF up.

once you know for sure that the DPF is gutted and the car has a map THEN i would be going to the dealer and saying rectify it or if it was me get them to fit a DPF and retweak the remap by a reputable company.

i dunno where in norfolk you are but Aaron Reeve in Kings Lynn is a BMW specialist

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

Thanks all, yes the tailpipes are covered in soot after a short journey. And the seller is an independent dealership. They have many high end cars.

Thanks,
Connor.

You said the seller is in the north, North of England? Yorkshire? Not Motorhub I hope for your sake.

What I would do is put a complaint into the finance company about the car, they should and will be interested, I know that they can come down on the dealers if they think the asset has been miss sold and not as described as that puts them at risk, I know of dealers that have had to take cars back with the customer getting a full refund in these circumstances via the finance company.

I'm not talking about cooling off periods either.

[NotGotABimmer23]

Originally Posted by Wills2

You said the seller is in the north, North of England? Yorkshire? Not Motorhub I hope for your sake.

What I would do is put a complaint into the finance company about the car, they should and will be interested, I know that they can come down on the dealers if they think the asset has been miss sold and not as described as that puts them at risk, I know of dealers that have had to take cars back with the customer getting a full refund in these circumstances via the finance company.

I'm not talking about cooling off periods either.

This would be significant on a pcp as they dont want to be left with an asset at the end which is worth way less than the gfv due to a host of mods and problems.

[Sullym6]

On remapped cars there is small amount of black smoke but only right at the top of the Rev range. You said you are getting black smoke when reving the car at a standstill so I would think the dpf has been gutted. Do not listen to the dealer saying smoke is normal as it's not.
The other issue you have is insurance as all mods such as dual wheel barrow tailpipe, black wheels will need to be declared as they are none standard.
Go see Citizens advise bureau for advise and also start the rejection process. You must by now have a gut feeling things aren't right so get it sorted while you have time.

Sully

[C0nn0r91]

Originally Posted by Wills2

You said the seller is in the north, North of England? Yorkshire? Not Motorhub I hope for your sake.

What I would do is put a complaint into the finance company about the car, they should and will be interested, I know that they can come down on the dealers if they think the asset has been miss sold and not as described as that puts them at risk, I know of dealers that have had to take cars back with the customer getting a full refund in these circumstances via the finance company.

I'm not talking about cooling off periods either.

No its not Motorhub, they're in the Yorkshire area, I won't disclose names just yet incase the emissions are ok.

I have already contacted the finance company and they have put the information on my file.
I will be phoning them up on Friday if the car fails the emissions test to get their advice. I was advised by them to do this.

[C0nn0r91]

Thought I'd update this, car had it's emissions test today and came out at 0.94 mean value compared to 0.26 the dealerships mot test centre came out with. Car was up to temperature too and many attempts were taken.

So it even failed on the current default limit of 0.7.

[NotGotABimmer23]

Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

Thought I'd update this, car had it's emissions test today and came out at 0.94 mean value compared to 0.26 the dealerships mot test centre came out with. Car was up to temperature too and many attempts were taken.

So it even failed on the current default limit of 0.7.

Good news then, in a way. Inform finance company and dealer that you will be rejecting the vehicle. Basically you were sold a vehicle which isnt road worthy, should be a clear cut case.

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by C0nn0r91

Thought I'd update this, car had it's emissions test today and came out at 0.94 mean value compared to 0.26 the dealerships mot test centre came out with. Car was up to temperature too and many attempts were taken.

So it even failed on the current default limit of 0.7.

This is good news, in that it supports your case for rejecting the car.

In your shoes I'd still want to have an independent vehicle inspection carried out to identify whether the DPF has been modified or removed; basically to find the root cause of the problem. If it's the case that the dealer has sold an illegal vehicle and with a dodgy MOT, I'd inform Trading Standards and the DVSA.

[C0nn0r91]

I have informed the dealer along with a copy of the emissions printout, told them I'll be informing the finance company which I will do this morning.

Dealer got back to me saying if the car has an issue it needs to be repaired. And asked whether my garage had diagnosed the cause. And that there is a warranty for this.

[jinjur]

This is not about repair buddy............the car was sold to you in a bad state without your knowledge

DPF gutted and MOT doctored...............just makes me think what else is a bodge on the car to get it sold?

It's not a Ford, it's a BMW and all repairs are frighteningly expensive. I would be erring on the side of caution friend and return the car

Flip, there will be (are already) LOADS of 335d's appearing because of the new model coming out

Trust us

Plenty here have seen pain with a lemon or abused car, it is NOT fun.

J

[C0nn0r91]

Dealer has now phoned up the mot station I had it tested by and said its not a huge difference in the values, and that my mot tester apparently said it likely only needs a dpf regeneration which is normal for these. So me sitting at 3000 rpm on a motorway for 25 miles probably wasn't enough I guess?

[xenon]

300% is not a huge difference? Hmm.

So are they now saying "tough, there's nowt wrong with it"?