[mhanism]

I wonder if the newer MPPK for the MY14 post 7/2013 will actually make more power. It's advertised as making 15 more hrs.

I was calling BS, since the dyno numbers were much stronger than the original MPPK improvements of 20 hrs/ 17 or 34 ft lbs of torque, but the bulletins do specifically state that, the 35 hrs is for the newer MPPK. Wonder if the new DME is programmed + tuned for better output.

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by mhanism

I wonder if the newer MPPK for the MY14 post 7/2013 will actually make more power. It's advertised as making 15 more hrs.

I was calling BS, since the dyno numbers were much stronger than the original MPPK improvements of 20 hrs/ 17 or 34 ft lbs of torque, but the bulletins do specifically state that, the 35 hrs is for the newer MPPK. Wonder if the new DME is programmed + tuned for better output.

No pre-14 numbers went up to.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by DarkTrigger

Dynoed my car today. All I have is the MPPK.
WHP: 306.7
WTQ: 344.1
Attachment 966932

The BMW MPPK actually outperforms the JB. Area under the curve is greater throughout the revband. Temp. may have played a factor.
Attachment 966934

Awesome stuff. Well done!

[DVC]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

No pre-14 numbers went up to.

Is that right? I haven't seen that...
I have also suspected that the claimed power bump in the 2014 version of the PPK was just to get closer to the real numbers that the kit produces without any actual bump up in power from the previous version of the kit. But then again if that were the case, why would the kits not be cross-compatible between pre-2014 and 2014+ ?
It would be nice to see a dyno comparison...

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by DVC

Is that right? I haven't seen that...
I have also suspected that the claimed power bump in the 2014 version of the PPK was just to get closer to the real numbers that the kit produces without any actual bump up in power from the previous version of the kit. But then again if that were the case, why would the kits not be cross-compatible between pre-2014 and 2014+ ?
It would be nice to see a dyno comparison...

I should clarify, BMW "raised" the numbers with the on board dyno hp/tq, unsure if they in fact did since I never did a pre post dyno...like you mentioned, I suspect they just decided they should show closer to real world numbers, to help compete against their segment, the S4 cross-shopper.

[mhanism]

Originally Posted by DVC

Is that right? I haven't seen that...
I have also suspected that the claimed power bump in the 2014 version of the PPK was just to get closer to the real numbers that the kit produces without any actual bump up in power from the previous version of the kit. But then again if that were the case, why would the kits not be cross-compatible between pre-2014 and 2014+ ?
It would be nice to see a dyno comparison...

Agree here. I've attached my source - the internal bulletin that details each of the MPPK's for the F30, part number and power details. Again, I started to think this was marketing BS, but w/ the newer DME perhaps they were able to squeeze a bit more out of the newer MPPK. The price is also much higher for the newer kits.

Very difficult to tell without a direct dyno comparison.

[DVC]

Originally Posted by mhanism

Agree here. I've attached my source - the internal bulletin that details each of the MPPK's for the F3nd power details. Again, I started to think this was marketing BS, but w/ the newer DME perhaps they were able to squeeze a bit more out of the newer MPPK. The price is also much higher for the newer kits.

Very difficult to tell without a direct dyno comparison.

Thanks for posting this. Interesting that even with the bigger bump in power for the latest kit, it still indicates the same acceleration improvement figures...

[mhanism]

Originally Posted by DVC

Thanks for posting this. Interesting that even with the bigger bump in power for the latest kit, it still indicates the same acceleration improvement figures...

Right? Don't quite get it either. But again, the recent dyno's have shown far greater gains than the advertised 20 or 35 hrs. Just wish we knew for sure what the deal was from BMW. I suppose it'll come out in the next few months.

[Reposado]

Are the PPK decals visible from outside the car with the doors closed? I saw a photo on another thread of a car with "M Performance" decals on the side skirts. Are those the PPK decals? Does anyone have a photo of where the PPK decals go and what they look like? I'm thinking of having them omitted from my install at the end of the week. Thanks for any help.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by Reposado

Are the PPK decals visible from outside the car with the doors closed? I saw a photo on another thread of a car with "M Performance" decals on the side skirts. Are those the PPK decals? Does anyone have a photo of where the PPK decals go and what they look like? I'm thinking of having them omitted from my install at the end of the week. Thanks for any help.

There is nothing on the outside of the car. You get a decal in the engine bay, one with the install date inside the door sill, and the engine cover gets replaced to say 'M Power'.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by DarkTrigger

I was wrong, temp. does not play a factor, the program has a correction factor for temperature. It flat out outperformed the JB.

If it's a JB4 then it will lower effective boost as a function of intake temperature. In addition timing advance and other internal parameters are mapped on temperature. So temperature absolutely plays a big role in dyno performance.

But to make only 300rw that does not sound like a JB4. It sounds like a JB Stage1? If so seems reasonable enough. If you tested it in 60 degree weather you'd probably make more than the PPK but both are relatively mild tunes so that is to be expected.

Mike

[rallybull]

Originally Posted by DarkTrigger

Dynoed my car today. All I have is the MPPK.
WHP: 306.7
WTQ: 344.1
Attachment 966932

The BMW MPPK actually outperforms the JB. Area under the curve is greater throughout the revband. Temp. may have played a factor.
Attachment 966934

What gear did you carry out the dyno? You have the 8AT, right ?

Your numbers are way more(about 20 whp and 20 lbft) than what I posted earlier.

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by Reposado

Are the PPK decals visible from outside the car with the doors closed? I saw a photo on another thread of a car with "M Performance" decals on the side skirts. Are those the PPK decals? Does anyone have a photo of where the PPK decals go and what they look like? I'm thinking of having them omitted from my install at the end of the week. Thanks for any help.

You get 2 //M performance stickers that can go either on the side C windows or the side sills.

[inChargeOfIT]

I got a quote for $1,600 installed (I believe mine requires a new ecu).. is that high or should I shop around?

[DVC]

Originally Posted by rallybull

Your numbers are way more(about 20 whp and 20 lbft) than what I posted earlier.

Latest (2014 MY) MPPK version vs legacy version? (If so, maybe the new version actually does have a power boost... )

[TreDirtyFive]

Originally Posted by DarkTrigger

Dynoed my car today. All I have is the MPPK.
WHP: 306.7
WTQ: 344.1
Attachment 966932

The BMW MPPK actually outperforms the JB. Area under the curve is greater throughout the revband. Temp. may have played a factor.
Attachment 966934

Temp may have played a factor? No matter how you cut it, this is not apples to apples...you're comparing a Stage 1 tune dynoed at 95 degrees vs a dyno at 70 degrees and then claim it blows the JB out of the water based on that huge discrepancy. 25 degrees is a huge factor. Whatever the case, I have no doubt the MPPK feels fantastic and that 1100+ is well spent, even /w all the fluff pieces included.

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by inChargeOfIT

I got a quote for $1,600 installed (I believe mine requires a new ecu).. is that high or should I shop around?

New ECU for what model year?

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by TreDirtyFive

Temp may have played a factor? No matter how you cut it, this is not apples to apples...you're comparing a Stage 1 tune dynoed at 95 degrees vs a dyno at 70 degrees and then claim it blows the JB out of the water based on that huge discrepancy. 25 degrees is a huge factor. Whatever the case, I have no doubt the MPPK feels fantastic and that 1100+ is well spent, even /w all the fluff pieces included.

So everyone should dyno in the dead of winter??

I think correction factors account for temp differences. This dyno might read higher, but who knows...there's no pre-vs-post, so only way to sort it out is track times.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by inChargeOfIT

I got a quote for $1,600 installed (I believe mine requires a new ecu).. is that high or should I shop around?

Depends on which ppk your car requires. The older ppk (20/32) goes for $1085 through a third party dealer, the new one (35/32) goes for $1350. Free shipping. BMW dealerships charge $400-600 for install.

[The Nerd]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsche

Depends on which ppk your car requires. The older ppk (20/20) goes for $1085 through a third party dealer, the new one (35/32) goes for $1350. Free shipping. BMW dealerships charge $400-600 for install.

Old PPK is 20/32 (not 20/20) ....at least for the 8AT.

I have the "old" PPK and dynoed (on a Dynojet) at 304 WHP and 308 lb-ft at the wheels. Happy w/my hp #s, but weird that my torque is do close to my hp. It seems even stock N55s have a greater difference between hp and torque. Could my "low" torque readings be an error in the operator of how my car was dynoed (wrong gear, didn't floor it, etc, etc)?

[Presario]

JNLBC and I are going to the EAS dyno day on Feb 22. He has JB4 stage 1 and I'm getting my PPK installed soon. We'll run our cars back to back and report the results.

We are both '13 with 8 speed sport ZF, and we both have the M Performance Exhaust installed.

Stay tuned!

[DVC]

Originally Posted by Presario

JNLBC and I are going to the EAS dyno day on Feb 22. He has JB4 stage 1 and I'm getting my PPK installed soon. We'll run our cars back to back and report the results.

We are both '13 with 8 speed sport ZF, and we both have the M Performance Exhaust installed.

Stay tuned!

Cool... to make this even better, we need to get someone with a '14 and the latest PPK version to go there with you guys to sort out the other big question... do the higher numbers on the new PPK represent real gains??