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      04-11-2019, 05:51 AM   #1
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New s6/7

Posted over at PistonHeads.

Interesting they have electric power too. However they are diesel!

https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/...mpressor-11482

Audi are having issues with WLTP AFAIK and the lucky folk in US Middle East etc get the 450bhp petrol including the MHEV system in the release they say it’s ‘customer preference’ what a load of BS
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Posted over at PistonHeads.

Interesting they have electric power too. However they are diesel!

https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/...mpressor-11482

Audi are having issues with WLTP AFAIK and the lucky folk in US Middle East etc get the 450bhp petrol including the MHEV system in the release they say it’s ‘customer preference’ what a load of BS
What a load of BS. Audi were working on this when I had my bitdi, it was allegedly going in the next generation.

Now they've just badged it up an S6 or S7 and added a massive premium, to what is basically there top end tdi.

The real S6 seems to have been scrapped it would seem.
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The huge torque peaking at 700 newton-meters (516.3 lb-ft) constantly available on demand to the driver across an engine speed range of 2,500 to 3,100 rpm is the ideal basis for performance-minded customers 


What a load of shite. 600rpm powerband..

I did hear the s4 is also going derv so could well be the same type of thing.
Looks like the c43 and m340i may be the only sub rs/full fat AMG/M options now.
Well actually and Kia!
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What a load of shite. 600rpm powerband..
Why is it zero torque and power either side of this? I don't see where it says that. If there is - say - just 600Nm available from 3100rpm to 4500rpm is that not enough?
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Why is it zero torque and power either side of this? I don't see where it says that. If there is - say - just 600Nm available from 3100rpm to 4500rpm is that not enough?
Compared to a performance turbo petrol engine it's a short peak torque band, I've got 500lb/ft as well but it's always reducing so the initial surge isn't sustained.
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Compared to a performance turbo petrol engine it's a short peak torque band.
Of course but then even outside of this band there is plentiful torque. I'd be tempted to drive it but since our learned friend has decreed it "a load of shite" (who presumably has driven it given such a proclamation) I perhaps won't bother.
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Of course but then even outside of this band there is plentiful torque. I'd be tempted to drive it but since our learned friend has decreed it "a load of shite" (who presumably has driven it given such a proclamation) I perhaps won't bother.
No I think it'll be a good car quick with good MPG and the touring looks nice to me.

But diesels do suffer from that peak torque failing away so never quite feel that quick if you know what I mean.
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Of course but then even outside of this band there is plentiful torque. I'd be tempted to drive it but since our learned friend has decreed it "a load of shite" (who presumably has driven it given such a proclamation) I perhaps won't bother.
I'm sure it'll be really good. Better than most because it'll probably come with the exhaust sound actuators that make it sound like a V8.

The old biturbo certainly felt better than the 35d, just because of a bit of noise.

But, in my opinion it should have stayed badged something else, and not become the new S6/S7, with the associated price increase!
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Yes can't argue with either of the last two posts. Hope it doesn't have fake exhaust outlets too...
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Specs looked similar to my 40D to be fair. MPG torque etc etc fuel sightly better on the X3 SUV unless I was mid reading some of it.
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Can't remember the last time I saw a previous version of the S6, but plenty of RS6 about.

There is a clearly a trade-off between retaining petrol power and achieving realistic running costs with the sub-performance models. Probably also explains why the SQ5 has reverted to diesel with the previous generation having been more successful as a DERV, actual sales numbers would be good but the petrol SQ5 is a rare beast on the roads.

JustChris what made you go 40d as opposed to 40i when swapping out of the M3?
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Can't remember the last time I saw a previous version of the S6, but plenty of RS6 about.

There is a clearly a trade-off between retaining petrol power and achieving realistic running costs with the sub-performance models. Probably also explains why the SQ5 has reverted to diesel with the previous generation having been more successful as a DERV, actual sales numbers would be good but the petrol SQ5 is a rare beast on the roads.

JustChris what made you go 40d as opposed to 40i when swapping out of the M3?
Running costs, and I'm a bit 'over' zorst pops and bangs for a while and really the performance is within 01.s of each other so preferring the stealthy speed and crazy torque. M40i likely more fun hey ho. Both are a cracking package, I swear this rolls less than my 335d with stock suspension!

I have started opening up a lot more in this now and it is deceptively fast. De-badged now and not many folks really know what it is, suspectibg just a 2.0d x3 truck, but off a roundabout its relentless with that slight rolling start, leaves most cars behind.
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Can't remember the last time I saw a previous version of the S6, but plenty of RS6 about.

There is a clearly a trade-off between retaining petrol power and achieving realistic running costs with the sub-performance models. Probably also explains why the SQ5 has reverted to diesel with the previous generation having been more successful as a DERV, actual sales numbers would be good but the petrol SQ5 is a rare beast on the roads.

JustChris what made you go 40d as opposed to 40i when swapping out of the M3?
Running costs, and I'm a bit 'over' zorst pops and bangs for a while and really the performance is within 01.s of each other so preferring the stealthy speed and crazy torque. M40i likely more fun hey ho. Both are a cracking package, I swear this rolls less than my 335d with stock suspension!

I have started opening up a lot more in this now and it is deceptively fast. De-badged now and not many folks really know what it is, suspectibg just a 2.0d x3 truck, but off a roundabout its relentless with that slight rolling start, leaves most cars behind.
Get this completely - maybe a head over heart decision but as an everyday proposition these performance diesels (especially in bigger cars like the A6/7, SUVs, etc) make a lot of sense.

X3 in M Performance guise is probably my pick of the current BMW range just now, glad you're enjoying it.
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Plus his M3's fuel tank and washer bottle were near empty.....
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Plus his M3's fuel tank and washer bottle were near empty.....
I have heard this one is getting ready for a wash, and he was spotted at the dealers recently....
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Got to admit that's a good looking hearse.

The S7 isn't bad either
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Compared to a performance turbo petrol engine it's a short peak torque band.
Of course but then even outside of this band there is plentiful torque. I'd be tempted to drive it but since our learned friend has decreed it "a load of shite" (who presumably has driven it given such a proclamation) I perhaps won't bother.
LOL you seem to have taken a flippant comment quite personally.

For context I was pointing out Audi marketing are highlighting that as a big performance plus with peak power over a very small rev range.
It's not like it was saying peak torque from 1600 to 5000 as you might have with a grunty turbo petrol, which a S6 should have.


It will doubtless be fast and does look smart but any S or RS model to me should have a petrol, but then I'm old and stuck in my ways..
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Huh, just when I thought diesel was being phased out.

I'd be curious to see how an S7 stacks up against a 435d, they seem similar on paper.
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Huh, just when I thought diesel was being phased out.

I'd be curious to see how an S7 stacks up against a 435d, they seem similar on paper.
It'll be a lot prettier inside, performance the same but I think the S6/7 selling point is the mix of luxury/pace/space and of course efficiency.

Bit of an Alpina D5S competitor really.
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Huh, just when I thought diesel was being phased out.

I'd be curious to see how an S7 stacks up against a 435d, they seem similar on paper.
Isn't the S7 more 640GC competitor? I think the S5 would be the equivalent of a 435 (all be it petrol of course)
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I suppose I meant in terms of performance.

In terms of trim/luxury yeah, it'll be more like a 640GC (if it were an actual hatch boot).

I just can't get enthused about Audis. I've had my eye on the S7 Sportback for ages but I just know I wouldn't look at it the same way. Weird.
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I would probably say the A7 chassis is closer to the 8 series tbh (as the 8 now replaces the 6 coupe)
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