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There is zero need to turn this thread political.
If you must leave a handgun in the car, I would use your basic 4 button lock box and tether it via steel cable in the trunk. I suggest the Liberty HD-100 which fits perfectly in the compartment under the storage flap. Auto-open door, lights up inside. Discrete and inexpensive. |
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+1. Leaving a firearm in the car is okay if you have taken the appropriate precautions. The only time I really leave my gun in the car is if I'm going to the gym.
If someone is really determined to steal a firearm, they will. There have been gun thefts from secure vaults (behind 3 layers of physical security) from military armories across the country. The best you can reasonably hope for is that someone needs to destroy the firearm in the process of stealing it. Quote:
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Is the glovebox lock not secure enough?
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Not only isn't it secure enough, it's illegal to store a gun in the glovebox in many states.
I visit a law enforcement facility where firearms are prohibited a couple of times a week for work. The head of the agency approved my Armloc case, which I secure in the trunk with a padlock and heavy steel cable that's attached to the battery hold down. The case is also TSA approved, so I use it to transport firearms when flying. Last edited by rlmesq; 07-13-2018 at 12:32 PM.. Reason: Added image |
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As stated illegal in some states. In NC its the cops call as your car is not that same as your house.
Add to that if the gun is stolen & not reported promptly then used in felony you can be in some deep s**t. So if you are in a no glove box state you have a compounded problem having to report you have done something in violation of a law. Last if you cross a state line with a gun in the glove box the feds who always want to help you will be unhappy. Under FOPA, notwithstanding any state or local law, a person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry it, if the firearm is unloaded and locked out of reach. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Ammunition that is either locked out of reach in the trunk or in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console is also covered. (Source NRA Guide to Transportation of Firearms) Possession of a weapon should never be taken lightly.
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It’s my understanding that the only thing the feds concern themselves with when it comes to crossing state lines with firearms are NFA items. So if all you’ve got in the glovebox is a handgun, that’s a state matter. If you’ve got a suppressor for that handgun, you need to have filed a Form 20 with the ATF and received Uncle Sam’s blessing.
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Could be, I am just reading the words:
"In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console." Not a lawyer but to my non-legal mind the "without a trunk" says to me if you have a trunk put the gun in it & if you don't get a box. Regardless I have a strong box & a trunk so its a non issue. Find the whole thing interesting & classic government "help" My long guns, which can do a lot more damage, go in the trunk but no secure box. In my COBRA they go in the passenger seat when I go to the range, no functional trunk to hold them, they are too long. The Ranger 4X4 that we take hunting with a few other trucks have no trunks. BTW NC is an open carry state so as long as I don't conceal a handgun I can carry it without a permit. So I can have a fully loaded pistol on the passenger seat & be legal but if its under my seat I need a concealed carry permit. Freekin weird.
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Also hoping it would be LHD euro vehicles and thus USA compatible. However if available in USA then that is interesting - I'd be surprised by any police or military having euro vehicles. I'd carry my 30" O/U to the range with it, assuming it had a foam insert that could be modified rather than hard shell injection molded to fit the HK. At $2k though....would rather buy another gun
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Two different issues ...
There are really two different issues being discussed in this thread:
1) Is it legal for you to "carry" a loaded firearm in your car (presumably for self-defense purposes)? The answer to that question varies from state to state. The link below provides good information for all the states in the union. Typically, each state police website also has a good information page. GENERALLY, if you have a valid concealed weapons permit / license ... you can "carry" in your car (and how you do so is up to you). Without a permit, it's usually illegal, and the penalties for doing so can be severe. For instance, in my home state of Michigan, it's a 5-year felony! But don't assume "general" rules apply in your state, some places allow it without a permit, and others have all sorts of restrictions. If you want to carry a loaded firearm that's accessible to you in the cabin of your car, make sure you carefully research precisely what the law says. https://www.usacarry.com/ 2) Is it legal to store a (typically unloaded) firearm in your car? In most states, the answer to this question is "yes"; and you are not liable (under either criminal or civil law) if someone breaks into your car and steals your gun. Now, some states do have what are called "safe storage" laws that mandate guns be kept secure under lock and key, and in those states, having your gun stolen, if it wasn't properly secured, CAN get you in legal trouble. But this is the exception rather than the rule. Again, in my home state of Michigan, I could have a gun lying in full view on the seat, with my car unlocked, and if someone opens the door and steals it, I wouldn't get into legal trouble (I'd certainly argue that it would be IMMORAL and IRRESPONSIBLE to do that, but it wouldn't be illegal). Most states do have a law on the books requiring that you report a stolen firearm to the authorities within a set period of time. Long story short, firearms laws vary from state to state. If you want to have a gun in your car, research the laws in your state carefully. And if you plan to travel with a gun, getting a concealed weapons license will make your life a lot easier since many scenarios become legal for someone with a license that are illegal for someone without one. Last edited by CrimDoc; 07-15-2018 at 03:22 PM.. |
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Always happy to educate people about why gun control is not only ineffective, but dangerous and counter productive. Probably a topic for a different forum though ... |
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As an Australian, I'm dumbfounded that there's even a thread about storing a firearm in your car. |
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There's not much need for ski patrols in the tropics, nor lifeguards in the arctic ocean. Australia had about 800K firearms in country prior to your "buyback"; America is estimated to have about 400 million. We can discuss how that came to be; and whether it was a good idea to write a Constitution that guarantees the right to bear arms ... but regardless of what we say, that IS the reality of the situation. So, in a Country like the United States, where it's trivially easy for criminals to gain access to firearms, we have a choice ... implement gun control ... which disarms law abiding citizens, and empowers criminals; or respect law abiding citizen's Constitutional rights so that they can protect themselves. It's really a no-brainer: provided you let yourself be guided by logic and empirical reality as opposed to ideology and fantasy. And BTW, the empirical data really doesn't show that your buyback in Australia reduced the rate of gun crimes: it was already declining prior to the law being implemented. Last edited by CrimDoc; 07-16-2018 at 07:45 AM.. |
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Its also interesting that cities with the most stringent gun control laws like Chicago have the highest rate of gun violence in the country. London's knife attacks just demonstrates if you can't get a gun a different weapon can be just as effective. Now they are trying to pass laws on the shape of knives. Next will be a buy back of your dinnerware. Then they will move on to screwdrivers & cricket bats.
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