[alohasurftoad]

[QUOTE=DreamerJoe;25967247]question on the spacers, will the 10-12mm/15mm make them fit like OE, or will they fit flush?[QUOTE]

depends on the tire size combination you select.

if you are stock suspension or mildly lowered, i'd recommend 235/40/19-265/35/19 tire size combo with 12.5 mm front and rear. equivalent offsets +32.5 front, +39.5 rear

if you are moderately to aggressively lowered, tire size combo of 245/35/19-275-30-19 with 15mm front and rear. equivalent offset +30 front, +37 rear.

other tire size or spacer combinations are possible, it's just what i'd do

again, a stud conversion kit makes things way easier with spacers.

[alohasurftoad]

Originally Posted by DreamerJoe

he's giving them to me for $550, with tires that still have maybe 15k tread on them. so that's my dilemma, because I'm not in love with the wheels, but it's a really good deal. personally I would just do spacers because I like the more OE look and not as open design of the 400m. last year I was looking at changing my wheels and almost went with either 437m or 624m replicas but decided I'm okay with my 400m's and would do spacers. but like mentioned earlier, even if I end up not liking them in a couple months, I can always put my originals back on, especially because it looks like 12mm/15mm is the spacing I would need on my 400m to fit flush anyway right?

if you're not in love, definitely don't get them, regardless of price. they'll get old real quick and become big inconvenience later when selling them.

also, i'd save up for some decent quality rotary forged wheels that are attractive to you, instead of low-pressure cast reps.

[Gen13 F36]

Originally Posted by DreamerJoe

he's giving them to me for $550, with tires that still have maybe 15k tread on them. so that's my dilemma, because I'm not in love with the wheels, but it's a really good deal. personally I would just do spacers because I like the more OE look and not as open design of the 400m. last year I was looking at changing my wheels and almost went with either 437m or 624m replicas but decided I'm okay with my 400m's and would do spacers. but like mentioned earlier, even if I end up not liking them in a couple months, I can always put my originals back on, especially because it looks like 12mm/15mm is the spacing I would need on my 400m to fit flush anyway right?

Anyway you said it came with tires? What size?

This is what I think.... you should get it... run those spacers alohasurftoad mention 12.5mm (stock) or 15mm (lowered).

Why... because $550 for a VMR v804 with tires is a crazy deal. And I bet someone will buy it from you if you resell it just to recoup what you spend and it's also a plus that the spacer you get you can either sell or use it with your original 400m.

This is what I would do if I am presented with this delema but someone has there own opinion.

Edit: I'll go with 12.5/ 12mm spacers... I just notice your on an F30. I was imagining the wheels on my F36. I'm conservative, I don't like hitting/rubbing on anything, those super flush look can throw rock on your bumper or quarter panel

[DreamerJoe]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

Anyway you said it came with tires? What size?

This is what I think.... you should get it... run those spacers alohasurftoad mention 12.5mm (stock) or 15mm (lowered).

Why... because $550 for a VMR v804 with tires is a crazy deal. And I bet someone will buy it from you if you resell it just to recoup what you spend and it's also a plus that the spacer you get you can either sell or use it with your original 400m.

This is what I would do if I am presented with this delema but someone has there own opinion.

Edit: I'll go with 12.5/ 12mm spacers... I just notice your on an F30. I was imagining the wheels on my F36. I'm conservative, I don't like hitting/rubbing on anything, those super flush look can throw rock on your bumper or quarter panel

not sure what size tires he has, and right now I'm at stock height, but would likely lower it at the same time since the tires are coming off anyway.. I would lower it a little bit, springs I've been looking at are eibach, hr sport, and acs which will be maybe 1/2 lower than the current m sport. so to confirm, spacers would be 12mm front amd rear so they will fit and not be flushed, but not as tucked either? never heard of rock chips from flush tires but it makes sense.. or get some mud gaurds.. jk..

[DreamerJoe]

So, I picked up the wheels and will be ordering Dinan springs w/ Koni yellows and just want to clarify something for the spacers. the tire sizes are 225/35/19 front and 255/30/19 rear, will the 12.5mm spacer give me oem fitment like what I currently have or closer to the fender more flushed fitment?

[DreamerJoe]

Originally Posted by alohasurftoad

They'll fit without spacers however be unsightly tucked by at least 10mm. I'd use 12.5mm front and rear, to change the offsets to +32.5f, +39.5r.

HUGE thanks to alohasurftoad, the 12.5mm spacers front/rear came out perfect, lower the car to above a 1/2 inch all around and 1 side needs to be adjusted. the fitment came out perfect though, just want to go get tires with a slightly taller sidewall because right now the front is .8" smaller overall diameter and rear is 1", and profile is a little low for my liking.

[DreamerJoe]

tried attaching to previous post but I don't think it worked.

[alohasurftoad]

very nice. 5-Y spokes are my fave. wider, higher profile tires will close the gaps and look epic.

looks like 245/35/19-275/30/19, would work nice, no issues. best rear width for the power you're making.

245/35/19-255/35/19 would work as well, guarantee no issues.

235/40/19-265/35/19 will have the gaps real tight. in theory, the rear should not rub the fenderwell lip however when i visualize this size combo on your pics, i feel it could rub under compression. fronts would be fine. im a leery of recommending this size based on the current pics. if you can get some clearer shots, level with the gap height, quartering view would be better to determine.

[DreamerJoe]

Originally Posted by alohasurftoad

very nice. 5-Y spokes are my fave. wider, higher profile tires will close the gaps and look epic.

looks like 245/35/19-275/30/19, would work nice, no issues

245/35/19-255/35/19 would work as well, guarantee no issues.

235/40/19-265/35/19 will have the gaps real tight. in theory, the rear should not rub the fenderwell lip however when i visualize this size combo on your pics, i feel it could rub under compression. fronts would be fine. im a leery of recommending this size based on the current pics. if you can get some clearer shots, level with the gap height, quartering view would be better to determine.

rear tire size went from 255/40/18 to 255/30/19
front tire size went from 225/45/18 to 225/35/19

thinking of going up to 35 rear and 40 front on the sidewall, will use the calculator to see how 235 and 265 width increase with larger sidewall will impact the size difference. right now I'm feeling a lot of vibration from the road, bumps are smooth but I feel the grains, rocks and tread of the road, I'm thinking it's alignment, the smaller sidewall, or both making me feel the vibration. I'll be getting the alignment done on tuesday and hopefully that helps, if not new tires will be coming sooner rather than later, was hoping to get a few months on these tires because they still have a lot of life left.

and I'll get some more pics tomorrow, as a bonus the shop had a brand new rear diffuser that another customer changed his mind on, so I got that as well for a good price, not carbon but I like thr more aggressive and subtle flat black more than carbon there.

[alohasurftoad]

nothing wrong with 225/40/19-255/35/19 as it is the OEM tire size combo.

although 245/35/19 is 0.2" shorter than 225/45/19, the 245 tire shoulder pokes 10mm further out and fills the 3-dimensional gap. compared to 225, the extra width of 245 provides a lot more front grip providing much higher cornering speed before "pushing".

a 275/30/19 is 0.5" shorter than 255/35/19 however it's shoulder is 10mm more poke which fills gap.

here is 245/35/19-275/30/19 similar wheel offset, lowered on KW V1. i believe you'd have slightly more gap with dinan.
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=12

[DreamerJoe]

I think I'd rather go with benefits of a larger sidewall vs width, unless going just a step up on both isn't too much, it was like .3 and .4 larger overall diameter in the tire calculator. Also, I ended up going with ST XA coilovers, I was too undecided when reading about the pros/cons of different spring/shock combos and heights vs base vs m sport and which spring will get me where.. then it was just and extra $150 for coilovers, and another $160 for adjustable.

[alohasurftoad]

coils, perfect...if you have coils I'd definitely use 235/40/19-265/35/19. You can just set the height/gap exactly as desired.

here is 235/40/19-265/35/19, ET30-ET45...https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=23...if you can visualize, your front tires would be 2.5mm more tucked, rears would be 5.5mm more poke than his. you can also set your ride height and gaps to be a little tighter with coils.

or you could also do 245/35/19-265/35/19...here on ET32-ET40, so basically same offsets as yours...
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...F19+265%2F3519

[DreamerJoe]

Originally Posted by alohasurftoad

if you can get some clearer shots, level with the gap height, quartering view would be better to determine.

I got some more pictures, took 3 angles per tire. hope they came out in order BL, FL, BR, FR.

[alohasurftoad]

Originally Posted by DreamerJoe

I got some more pictures, took 3 angles per tire. hope they came out in order BL, FL, BR, FR.

yeah, definitely needs more "meat on them bones". the sizes i'd put on there
1st) 235/40/19-265/35/19, 26.4"-26.3"
2nd) 245/35/19-275/30/19, 25.8"-25.5", (i understand you prefer it taller)
3rd) 245/35/19-265/35/19, 25.8"-26.3", best handling, M2 specs, forward rake, gaps can be evened with coils.
4th) 245/35/19-255/35/19, 25.8"-26.0", semi square, least understeer
5th) 245/40/19-275/35/19, 26.7"-26.6", too tall for my taste, can reduce gap and appear lowered although it's actually higher.
6th) 225/40/19-255/35/19, 26.0"-26.0", OEM size, 225 front is too narrow for my taste, causes understeer and being slightly stretched on 8.5" increases 3D gap slightly. however if you prefer this size combo is all that matters.

[DreamerJoe]

Originally Posted by alohasurftoad

yeah, definitely needs more "meat on them bones". the sizes i'd put on there
1st) 235/40/19-265/35/19, 26.4"-26.3"
2nd) 245/35/19-275/30/19, 25.8"-25.5", (i understand you prefer it taller)
3rd) 245/35/19-265/35/19, 25.8"-26.3", best handling, M2 specs, forward rake, gaps can be evened with coils.
4th) 245/35/19-255/35/19, 25.8"-26.0", semi square, least understeer
5th) 245/40/19-275/35/19, 26.7"-26.6", too tall for my taste, can reduce gap and appear lowered although it's actually higher.
6th) 225/40/19-255/35/19, 26.0"-26.0", OEM size, 225 front is too narrow for my taste and causes understeer, however if you prefer this size combo is all that matters.

will most likely go with option 1, just hope it's a common enough tire size that won't have to be special ordered.

[DreamerJoe]

and a wierd thing that happened is the TPMS sensors that were in the new wheels didn't work with my car. right now I looked on ECS tuning and it showed all Fx tpms as compatible from F22-F34, but when the installer tried programming it didn't work, and he used a snap-on sensor that was able to find my sensor under "F30" category, and the new wheels under "F22", but not vise versa. He's going to swap them on tuesday when I go back for alignment anyway, just thought that was kind of odd.

[alohasurftoad]

Originally Posted by DreamerJoe

and a wierd thing that happened is the TPMS sensors that were in the new wheels didn't work with my car. right now I looked on ECS tuning and it showed all Fx tpms as compatible from F22-F34, but when the installer tried programming it didn't work, and he used a snap-on sensor that was able to find my sensor under "F30" category, and the new wheels under "F22", but not vise versa. He's going to swap them on tuesday when I go back for alignment anyway, just thought that was kind of odd.

it doesn't work like that. there are two TPMS. HUF and VDO. i believe the change was made from HUF to VDO sometime in 2014. I believe HUF is 315 MHz and VDO is 433 MHz. whichever TPMS your car operates with will only work with that.

here's what the valve stems caps look like. HUF says alligator germany

[DreamerJoe]

Originally Posted by DreamerJoe

will most likely go with option 1, just hope it's a common enough tire size that won't have to be special ordered.

thanks for all of your help and feedback guys! now I just need to decide on a tire and size to go with, been really happy with the Ventus v12 Evo2 but also looking at Pirelli P Zero, Continental ECS, and Bridgestone Pole Position. I know everyone recommends the Michelin PS4S, but trying to keep it under a grand. and for some reason I was imagining the middle tire number as static, not percentage of width, so by going with a wider tire a "35" is still going to gain me the larger sidewall I'm looking for, just gotta start comparing my options. thanks again!

[Liandri]

Originally Posted by DreamerJoe

thanks for all of your help and feedback guys! now I just need to decide on a tire and size to go with, been really happy with the Ventus v12 Evo2 but also looking at Pirelli P Zero, Continental ECS, and Bridgestone Pole Position. I know everyone recommends the Michelin PS4S, but trying to keep it under a grand. and for some reason I was imagining the middle tire number as static, not percentage of width, so by going with a wider tire a "35" is still going to gain me the larger sidewall I'm looking for, just gotta start comparing my options. thanks again!

I recently put on DWS06 235/35/19 and 265/30/19(edit: vmr 8.5 9.5 et42 et50) I went with DWS06 because i needed the flexibility of running this setup in winter later this year (special circumstances). If you don't need that flexibility I would hands down go for v12 evo2 or ps4s as the DWS06 have a soft feeling to them and are rated for snow.

I feel like I could fit more tire, but would have to go up with the 3mm spacer in front and really scrutinize the clearance in the wells. I would go up in sidewall profile before thinking about width as 235 and 265 are correct for 8.5 and 9.5