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      09-29-2017, 01:40 PM   #45
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No need to get offensive.

Safe to say that BMW's chains are much easier to replace than Audi/VW?
Audi has its fair number of issues of chain failures, such as an actual class lawsuit for chain tensioner failures and chains stretching?

Audi also has well documented issues of oil starvation that actually makes websites other than their prospective car forums.
Well I'm not playing this game, you keep going from one bad statement about another brand to another and I don't have time to disprove all of them. All MFGs including audi have lawsuits against them. Audi has had issues with tensioner failures but so has BMW and several other brands.

Have fun continuing to bag on car companies to make yourself feel better about BMW. Which frankly is a wholly unnecessary exercise as both brands make some pretty good vehicles.
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Have fun continuing to bag on car companies to make yourself feel better about BMW. Which frankly is a wholly unnecessary exercise as both brands make some pretty good vehicles.
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That's like saying we have nice Minis. Or that the Bugatti Chiron is a nice Passat.
Not really... the RS3 and Jetta share the same MQB platform (with a shit ton of other cars if I'm honest). The A3 and Jetta are essentially the same car with a different badge. The base A3 is a top of the line Jetta GLI in terms of drivetrain and options. The Jetta to RS3 analogy works best in BMW terms by comparing a 320i to an M3. Certainly not the same car, but definitely related.

Also note that my comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek.
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Nice upgrade! How's the interior size compared to the F30? Does it feel smaller or is it negligible? I haven't sat in one yet, obviously, but I'm so far impressed with it.
Coming from a S3 sedan to F30 340i, the S3 is a compact-sedan while the F30 is a midsized-sedan.
The RS3 will be the same as the S3 interior-size wise.
The S3 is more on par with the 2 series and CLA in terms of size.
S4 will be more on par with F30 and C class in terms of size.

The F30 is much more practical, bigger, more spacious, etc.

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Not really... the RS3 and Jetta share the same MQB platform (with a shit ton of other cars if I'm honest). The A3 and Jetta are essentially the same car with a different badge. The base A3 is a top of the line Jetta GLI in terms of drivetrain and options. The Jetta to RS3 analogy works best in BMW terms by comparing a 320i to an M3. Certainly not the same car, but definitely related.

Also note that my comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek.
MK7 Golf/GTI/R and 8V A3/S3/RS3 are on a different platform (MQB) than the Jetta/GLI which are on the older Golf platform (A).
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Woah guys lol i was just saying bye didn't want to stir controversy!

Look I know Audis have issues too, I'm not blind. That's also why I got a maintenance plan (dealer Included through 50k), and got a 7 year 100,000 mile warranty (that Audi will void if I even try a simple APR flash since diesel gate has made them highly flash count sensitive).

I cross shopped M2 (new) and a used M3.

I really felt after 5 years of the F30 (tracking and daily driving), that BMW's tech was a little behind and the QC issues my new F30 (2012 model), left me a little sick of driving back to the dealer as much as I did. The virtual cockpit is sick, and the seats and alcantara are lush.

With that said at least I test drove 2015 M3s. I needed 4 doors and something sick fast. This RS3 will cook most M3s and even CP M3s...The AWD just hooks up. In a straight line. In the turns I'm not inspired but I figure oh well how often am I driving around Lime Rock or NJMP lightning. All said I got it for $59,246, much cheaper than a new M3.

It's 4 inches more cramped inside, my son's car seat fits but in reverse he's literally right on me. Once he's forward facing it'll be all good. It was horrible in the M2, so that was ruled out. And of course fine in the M3, since the dimensions are same as my old 335i F30.

I'm not a fanboy, I love the BMW brand and will miss the handling for sure, but am intrigued about the RS3 and enjoy the new features (LED lighting, virtual cockpits, MMI, apple car play, beautiful interior seating), but am annoyed about the slight loss in interior space and the manual seating (lol).
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Most car enthusiasts don't enjoy leasing cars. Pretty much what I am saying.
1. That is absolutely not true.

2. 70%+ of BMW's are leased. That includes M cars. M customers are considered enthusiasts, right?
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No need to get offensive.

Safe to say that BMW's chains are much easier to replace than Audi/VW?
Audi has its fair number of issues of chain failures, such as an actual class lawsuit for chain tensioner failures and chains stretching?

Audi also has well documented issues of oil starvation that actually makes websites other than their prospective car forums.
BMW had documented issues with the rod bearing issues and oil burning issues.

No auto manufacturer is perfect.
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Most car enthusiasts don't enjoy leasing cars. Pretty much what I am saying.
I think "most" of the people on this forum are enthusiasts or they would not be here & the lease/buy split might be even higher here toward leasing than you think.

Lots of parts show up in the for sale section that were taken off leased cars being turned in. On my last turn in took off an MPE & rear diffuser in the dealers back lot because I did not have time to do it earlier. Sold the MPE & put the diffuser on the 440.

So far I have not turned in a car that did not have some performance hardware or RFT/GFT swapped out.


Some cars I buy, depends if I have a reason to keep it longer than 3 years. Since I also build my own cars & motors I might also be considered an enthusiast by most people.

Of course if I wanted to play enthusiast attitude to the max I could say the only real enthusiast are those who build not buy. Would be just as inane as saying those who lease are not enthusiasts
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Woah guys lol i was just saying bye didn't want to stir controversy!

Look I know Audis have issues too, I'm not blind. That's also why I got a maintenance plan (dealer Included through 50k), and got a 7 year 100,000 mile warranty (that Audi will void if I even try a simple APR flash since diesel gate has made them highly flash count sensitive).

I cross shopped M2 (new) and a used M3.

I really felt after 5 years of the F30 (tracking and daily driving), that BMW's tech was a little behind and the QC issues my new F30 (2012 model), left me a little sick of driving back to the dealer as much as I did. The virtual cockpit is sick, and the seats and alcantara are lush.

With that said at least I test drove 2015 M3s. I needed 4 doors and something sick fast. This RS3 will cook most M3s and even CP M3s...The AWD just hooks up. In a straight line. In the turns I'm not inspired but I figure oh well how often am I driving around Lime Rock or NJMP lightning. All said I got it for $59,246, much cheaper than a new M3.

It's 4 inches more cramped inside, my son's car seat fits but in reverse he's literally right on me. Once he's forward facing it'll be all good. It was horrible in the M2, so that was ruled out. And of course fine in the M3, since the dimensions are same as my old 335i F30.

I'm not a fanboy, I love the BMW brand and will miss the handling for sure, but am intrigued about the RS3 and enjoy the new features (LED lighting, virtual cockpits, MMI, apple car play, beautiful interior seating), but am annoyed about the slight loss in interior space and the manual seating (lol).
Manual seats!?
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Woah guys lol i was just saying bye didn't want to stir controversy!

Look I know Audis have issues too, I'm not blind. That's also why I got a maintenance plan (dealer Included through 50k), and got a 7 year 100,000 mile warranty (that Audi will void if I even try a simple APR flash since diesel gate has made them highly flash count sensitive).

I cross shopped M2 (new) and a used M3.

I really felt after 5 years of the F30 (tracking and daily driving), that BMW's tech was a little behind and the QC issues my new F30 (2012 model), left me a little sick of driving back to the dealer as much as I did. The virtual cockpit is sick, and the seats and alcantara are lush.

With that said at least I test drove 2015 M3s. I needed 4 doors and something sick fast. This RS3 will cook most M3s and even CP M3s...The AWD just hooks up. In a straight line. In the turns I'm not inspired but I figure oh well how often am I driving around Lime Rock or NJMP lightning. All said I got it for $59,246, much cheaper than a new M3.

It's 4 inches more cramped inside, my son's car seat fits but in reverse he's literally right on me. Once he's forward facing it'll be all good. It was horrible in the M2, so that was ruled out. And of course fine in the M3, since the dimensions are same as my old 335i F30.

I'm not a fanboy, I love the BMW brand and will miss the handling for sure, but am intrigued about the RS3 and enjoy the new features (LED lighting, virtual cockpits, MMI, apple car play, beautiful interior seating), but am annoyed about the slight loss in interior space and the manual seating (lol).
Manual seats!?
Yup!!
But 4 way powered lumbar (hand jerking motion).

At least weight savings is achieved...40lbs!!

P.s. my wife equates it to her first car, a 1998 civic!!
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Woah guys lol i was just saying bye didn't want to stir controversy!

Look I know Audis have issues too, I'm not blind. That's also why I got a maintenance plan (dealer Included through 50k), and got a 7 year 100,000 mile warranty (that Audi will void if I even try a simple APR flash since diesel gate has made them highly flash count sensitive).

I cross shopped M2 (new) and a used M3.

I really felt after 5 years of the F30 (tracking and daily driving), that BMW's tech was a little behind and the QC issues my new F30 (2012 model), left me a little sick of driving back to the dealer as much as I did. The virtual cockpit is sick, and the seats and alcantara are lush.

With that said at least I test drove 2015 M3s. I needed 4 doors and something sick fast. This RS3 will cook most M3s and even CP M3s...The AWD just hooks up. In a straight line. In the turns I'm not inspired but I figure oh well how often am I driving around Lime Rock or NJMP lightning. All said I got it for $59,246, much cheaper than a new M3.

It's 4 inches more cramped inside, my son's car seat fits but in reverse he's literally right on me. Once he's forward facing it'll be all good. It was horrible in the M2, so that was ruled out. And of course fine in the M3, since the dimensions are same as my old 335i F30.

I'm not a fanboy, I love the BMW brand and will miss the handling for sure, but am intrigued about the RS3 and enjoy the new features (LED lighting, virtual cockpits, MMI, apple car play, beautiful interior seating), but am annoyed about the slight loss in interior space and the manual seating (lol).
Manual seats!?
Yup!!
But 4 way powered lumbar (hand jerking motion).

At least weight savings is achieved...40lbs!!

P.s. my wife equates it to her first car, a 1998 civic!!
I figured it was for the weight savings. : my fiancé would have kicked my ass if I spent that much money with no power seats. They don't understand.
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MK7 Golf/GTI/R and 8V A3/S3/RS3 are on a different platform (MQB) than the Jetta/GLI which are on the older Golf platform (A).
Yes, the current gen Jetta is one iteration behind. I mean the MKVII Jetta which is due out soon. The 7th version of the Jetta has been slow to launch. But then, VW has always been known to stagger models like that..
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If you option the sport seats, they are manual in the S3/RS3.
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Congrats on your purchase!

I cross shopped the 440i, C43, and Q60. Ended up leasing a '18 S5 Coupe back in July though. Loved my 428i, but it was time for a change. Audi did an amazing job on this new S5. From the rear sport Diff, to the sport adaptive suspension, and the Virtual cockpit/ interior quality. While not as smooth as the B58 on the power delivery, it's still quite potent engine! Gobs and gobs of torque.

Not every car is perfect though. The transmission lacks the proper programming to take full potential of this motor. BMW really nailed the ZF8 tuning. Audi needs to take notes, and go back and fix this. Other than that, I absolutely love my new S5.

As I'm not a brand loyalist, I can defiantly see myself in a ///M after this lease is up. Maybe even a C63, or C63S.
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RS3 is a very nice ride!

I test drove this car several times, it's fast! Interior is very nice. I loved the fact you can hide the screen into the dash.

I decided against the RS3 because of size - the rear seating leg room is considerably smaller than the 340i.

The other issue is understeer - the sport rims upgrade come with a staggered set, 255's in the front and 235's in the rear. This seemed a bit weird to me but I guess the best low cost solution the engineers could come up with to deal with it's tendancy to understeer.
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