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      04-14-2021, 02:10 PM   #45
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Yes it's bot the regular servicing that costs, or even the tyres, which is all most of us used to newish cars on PCPs are used to paying. These cars, and I mean anything older than around 5 years start needing things overhauled.
Brakes all round on a Porsche or M car gets close to 2 grand, even at an independent specialist. A clutch is £1500 ish. Then there's always a bush or suspension arm that needs done each year it seems. Once cars get over 10 years then you can need brake lines, radiators, lots of the plastic parts start to go brittle and warp a little.
And corrosion starts to be an issue. If you look closely at most E46 and E39 generation BMWs they've got it starting if not advanced.

The problem I had is trying to keep a car like it was when it was new, mechanically and appearance wise... you then realise it's not really sensible!
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I really like the look of Cayman's, missus however likes a convertible so had to buy another Boxster. The handling on both cars is almost identical and the world does seem a nicer place in the summer with the roof down.

Mine is a 981 3.4S with over £17k of options, always amazes me how Porsche can get away selling expensive cars so poorly equipped. Had this one about 18 months, the 981 is a much better car than the 986 & 987 and had zero problems so far (so am getting no use from the Porsche 2 year warranty it came with). Servicing costs are pretty low. Porsche clutches can be really heavy when worn so I got a PDK this time and really like it, gearchanges are lightening quick and just as involving in manual mode. Sports exhaust is a bit childish which is fine, full leather interior is worth looking for.

Best thing is the car has actually gone up in value since I bought it:

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      04-14-2021, 02:25 PM   #47
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I guess the thing is the servicing & repair costs go up, and especially as a % of the “value” of the car, but lets say one factors in say £2k - even £3k PA on servicing costs of an older motor that is nearing the end of the depreciation curve is small beer compared to losing £20k (or more) over 4yrs in depreciation on a new car....

Food for thought.

I think Mrs has won this for the moment tho... i just can’t justify spending this as a second car at the moment (especially as the principal car has only done <3k miles last year.... ive ridden more on my bike
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I really like the look of Cayman's, missus however likes a convertible so had to buy another Boxster. The handling on both cars is almost identical and the world does seem a nicer place in the summer with the roof down.

Mine is a 981 3.4S with over £17k of options, always amazes me how Porsche can get away selling expensive cars so poorly equipped. Had this one about 18 months, the 981 is a much better car than the 986 & 987 and had zero problems so far (so am getting no use from the Porsche 2 year warranty it came with). Servicing costs are pretty low. Porsche clutches can be really heavy when worn so I got a PDK this time and really like it, gearchanges are lightening quick and just as involving in manual mode. Sports exhaust is a bit childish which is fine, full leather interior is worth looking for.

Best thing is the car has actually gone up in value since I bought it:

I do like a convertible- i have had a 2.0l MX5 mk 3.5 PRHT and a e89 Z4 2.3l straight six , but living in west Scotland, the security and long term weatherproofing of a soft top was always a concern.... so i preferred the retractable tin tops over the canvas roof - so that’s sort of what puts me off a boxter vs a Cayman.... I always had the roof down, even in mid winter - and i have to have a sunroof on a hard top!
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I do like a convertible- i have had a 2.0l MX5 mk 3.5 PRHT and a e89 Z4 2.3l straight six , but living in west Scotland, the security and long term weatherproofing of a soft top was always a concern.... so i preferred the retractable tin tops over the canvas roof - so that’s sort of what puts me off a boxter vs a Cayman.... I always had the roof down, even in mid winter - and i have to have a sunroof on a hard top!
Porsche rag tops, with the glass rear screen at least (>2003) don't leak, they have a waterproof membrane in them. Had my previous Boxster for 9 years and no issues at all. The 981 has an even better roof, has a proper headlining and does a superb job of cutting down outside noise.

Tin roofs are heavy and take up a lot of the storage space.
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I guess the thing is the servicing & repair costs go up, and especially as a % of the “value” of the car, but lets say one factors in say £2k - even £3k PA on servicing costs of an older motor that is nearing the end of the depreciation curve is small beer compared to losing £20k (or more) over 4yrs in depreciation on a new car....

Food for thought.
I think you're right and that was part of my thought process when I was considering a 981 S Cayman. However, on a new car depreciation doesn't involve a sudden (and possibly unexpected) one-off cash outflow like you might encounter with running an older car; if you're unlucky and experience some of the known engine problems with a Porsche you could be looking at the best part of a five-figure bill which isn't funny!
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I think you're right and that was part of my thought process when I was considering a 981 S Cayman. However, on a new car depreciation doesn't involve a sudden (and possibly unexpected) one-off cash outflow like you might encounter with running an older car; if you're unlucky and experience some of the known engine problems with a Porsche you could be looking at the best part of a five-figure bill which isn't funny!
I think that is just what I was thinking also... One thing to buy a 15/20 year old cheap run around that, if it fails, you can scrap and not feel anything other than pleased you got your money's worth.... another to buy a 15/20 year old sports/performance car lat would leave you significantly out of pocket if it failed...

Having owned three Porsche's from new, I would say they are best experienced as a new car purchase.. You get to chose "your" car... you spec it just as you want and you take ownership of it from very few miles on the clock... and you have peace of mind with the warranty etc etc... so, although, yes, you are dealing with depreciation, all the rest is basically predictable fixed price enjoyment...

I am not sure I would be happy to take on the risk of any of those three cars at 15/20 years old without having the wherewithal to say "eff it" and walk away if anything went wrong... you have no real idea how they have been treated in the intervening years...

But... as we say frequently in here.. each to their own... and, moonshine I am sure you are taking each of these comments as just our trying to help...
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      04-15-2021, 01:37 AM   #52
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I think that is just what I was thinking also... One thing to buy a 15/20 year old cheap run around that, if it fails, you can scrap and not feel anything other than pleased you got your money's worth.... another to buy a 15/20 year old sports/performance car lat would leave you significantly out of pocket if it failed...

Having owned three Porsche's from new, I would say they are best experienced as a new car purchase.. You get to chose "your" car... you spec it just as you want and you take ownership of it from very few miles on the clock... and you have peace of mind with the warranty etc etc... so, although, yes, you are dealing with depreciation, all the rest is basically predictable fixed price enjoyment...

I am not sure I would be happy to take on the risk of any of those three cars at 15/20 years old without having the wherewithal to say "eff it" and walk away if anything went wrong... you have no real idea how they have been treated in the intervening years...

But... as we say frequently in here.. each to their own... and, moonshine I am sure you are taking each of these comments as just our trying to help...
Thanks you ... Everyones comments are welcomed and taken in the spirit of friendly advice and experience.... that is what I asked for and I am looking for
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I think you're right and that was part of my thought process when I was considering a 981 S Cayman. However, on a new car depreciation doesn't involve a sudden (and possibly unexpected) one-off cash outflow like you might encounter with running an older car; if you're unlucky and experience some of the known engine problems with a Porsche you could be looking at the best part of a five-figure bill which isn't funny!
I think that is just what I was thinking also... One thing to buy a 15/20 year old cheap run around that, if it fails, you can scrap and not feel anything other than pleased you got your money's worth.... another to buy a 15/20 year old sports/performance car lat would leave you significantly out of pocket if it failed...

Having owned three Porsche's from new, I would say they are best experienced as a new car purchase.. You get to chose "your" car... you spec it just as you want and you take ownership of it from very few miles on the clock... and you have peace of mind with the warranty etc etc... so, although, yes, you are dealing with depreciation, all the rest is basically predictable fixed price enjoyment...

I am not sure I would be happy to take on the risk of any of those three cars at 15/20 years old without having the wherewithal to say "eff it" and walk away if anything went wrong... you have no real idea how they have been treated in the intervening years...

But... as we say frequently in here.. each to their own... and, moonshine I am sure you are taking each of these comments as just our trying to help...
Yes, I think we're on pretty much the same page with this!

I've never been fortunate enough to own a Porsche but buying an old one it would worry me slightly I could be unlucky and end-up with a very hefty repair bill I wasn't expecting. In the end circumstances dictated a coupe wasn't the right choice for me when I made the change last year but if things had been different I'm not sure I'd have gone the used 981 Cayman route anyway; initial research suggested manuals with the spec I wanted were going to be difficult to find and, when you factor in the unknowns that go with a second-hand car, being honest I'd have probably played safe and opted for a new M2C!

But for me the car would have been a daily driver - albeit not a high mileage one - and I accept it might be different for someone who's looking at more of a weekend toy. If an occasional fun car is off the road for a bit it's not the end of the world but it's a different matter if a problem leaves you with not only a large repair bill but also no wheels until you can get it fixed!
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There’s a guy on Instagram with a 2.9 cayman with 153,000miles on the clock! He bought it with 142,000 on the clock and it’s his daily 😂
https://instagram.com/a.cayman.calle...=1t3ccj11kdnvs
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      04-15-2021, 07:25 AM   #55
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I’m currently running an M4 Comp as a daily and have a Cayman (981) S as my weekend car.

The Cayman is PDK and has all the options to essentially make it a GTS without the badge or cost. For me the Cayman would actually make the better daily, fuel consumption is significantly better than the M4 and it is much, much more driveable around town. The DCT gearbox on the M4 is awesome and really delivers when pressing on but around town, anything other than pootling around and it is a bit of a bastard to drive smoothly!!

Servicing costs on the Porsche are quite reasonable to be fair, considerably cheaper than the M4 and mine has only ever been serviced by OPC’s. Apart from corroded Condensers, I have had zero issues. Mine has always been covered by the Porsche extended warranty which again is hugely cheaper than the same BMW warranty and also covered the condensers so essentially paid for itself.

For reference I have just booked the Cayman in with Porsche for the ‘big’ service including plugs and brake fluid at a cost of just over £985 which is fairly similar in scope and price to the the same service on the M4.

Both great cars similar by design but still very very different. If one were to be sold....... it would be the M4.
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^ that is lovely in red - looks reallys special
if you ever plan on selling it, let me know
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