[Gertsee]

Originally Posted by outofphase

Awesome info OP, I'm sure this will help a good amount of people when they're researching flash options!

Also, I went ahead and recalculated it for the rest of us westerners who don't watch enough mighty car mods to know what's going.

So what I get from this is that BM3 stage 0+ puts out more power than Stage 1 but Stage 1 puts out more power in low-mid range? I just flashed my completely stock car to Stage 0+ I have my DP & Chargepipe just not ready to do the install yet. Is there a higher chance of my stock chargepipe blowing with M2 stage 0+ map or Stage 1? I'm guessing whichever puts down more torque and power in the low end is more likely to blow the chargepipe but I'm just a newbie :

[Munchi435i]

Originally Posted by Gertsee

So what I get from this is that BM3 stage 0+ puts out more power than Stage 1 but Stage 1 puts out more power in low-mid range? I just flashed my completely stock car to Stage 0+ I have my DP & Chargepipe just not ready to do the install yet. Is there a higher chance of my stock chargepipe blowing with M2 stage 0+ map or Stage 1? I'm guessing whichever puts down more torque and power in the low end is more likely to blow the chargepipe but I'm just a newbie :

Even under completely stock my charge pipe blew and it was luckily replaced under my warranty. So yes any increase in power just increases the risk that the plastic charge pipe will fail.

[JaredG_F30]

In addition to FMIC, CP and DP I have CTS intake and custom exhaust (muffler delete with Vibrant resonators welded in place).

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

Generally considered to be intercooler, charge pipe, and downpipe (catless or high flow catted) as those are the mods "required" (recommended) for stage 2 tunes (2+ for MHD).

DV and intake could potentially fall into FBO, but HPFP/LPFP, PS2, etc, would be beyond FBO.

[Freestylerfalcon]

bumping for anyone considering bm3 stage 1

[chinniciF32]

Originally Posted by Freestylerfalcon

bumping for anyone considering bm3 stage 1

Honestly after doing a lot of reading I kind of want to make the jump to BM3 but I already bought MHD and unlike BM3 you cant sell your license, it doesn't make sense for me to spend another $500+ just to essentially get another 15whp (bm3 e85 ots maps give a little more power). At this point probably do an hpfp upgrade and custom tune.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by chinniciF32

Honestly after doing a lot of reading I kind of want to make the jump to BM3 but I already bought MHD and unlike BM3 you cant sell your license, it doesn't make sense for me to spend another $500+ just to essentially get another 15whp (bm3 e85 ots maps give a little more power). At this point probably do an hpfp upgrade and custom tune.

Where's the data to show the BM3 makes more power on the E maps? The M2 cross post from the other day was showing that MHD and BM3 were basically exactly the same on the pump gas maps.

Also from the one person on here who messaged me after going from BM3 to MHD they liked MHD better, lol.

[SlumpLord3000]

Stage 1 is good for awd because it gives more mid range power. M2 tune give better top end because it's better for RWD cars.

I went stock BM3 stage 1 to FBO without a tune change and its a very big difference.

Another big difference is when I did XHP stage 2 tune.
I think the DV+ enhances XHP because DV+ holds the boost longer and XHP holds the lower gear longer so you're in power longer even when you let go of the gas and the car just wants to go whenever you tap on the gas because you already have boost ready to go.
Feels very similar to my friends S4 (supercharger) where the power is always there.

[Kolianovskyi]

Originally Posted by SlumpLord3000

Stage 1 is good for awd because it gives more mid range power. M2 tune give better top end because it's better for RWD cars.

I went stock BM3 stage 1 to FBO without a tune change and its a very big difference.

Another big difference is when I did XHP stage 2 tune.
I think the DV+ enhances XHP because DV+ holds the boost longer and XHP holds the lower gear longer so you're in power longer even when you let go of the gas and the car just wants to go whenever you tap on the gas because you already have boost ready to go.
Feels very similar to my friends S4 (supercharger) where the power is always there.

Hey!
What is XHP?

I am thinking about either St1 on 93 or St2 on 93 for a complete stock 435 2014 with 79k miles. What would you recommend?
Right after the chip I am thinking about adding DV+ and probably catless DP.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by Kolianovskyi

Hey!
What is XHP?

I am thinking about either St1 on 93 or St2 on 93 for a complete stock 435 2014 with 79k miles. What would you recommend?
Right after the chip I am thinking about adding DV+ and probably catless DP.

XHP is a transmission flash tune. Just google it, read the advertisements, read the manual, then search for the main XHP thread in these forums. All the information you can possibly want is there.

As for the engine tune, you cant (should not) run stage 2 without a IC. You shouldnt even run stage 1 realistically without a IC. CP obviously required no matter what.

[Kolianovskyi]

Are there any sales or discounts on BM3, like black Friday?

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by Kolianovskyi

Are there any sales or discounts on BM3, like black Friday?

Perhaps small ones, check with vendors or looked for a used license.

[Kolianovskyi]

Ok, I flashed my wife's x5 f15 n55 stock with bm3 st1 93. Initially tried st0 m2 but fеlt no difference.

So, on complete stock using sport displays (yes, I know it is not a right solution) it shown me somewhere close to 366 hps. I might say it is ~+60.

Now ordered CP.

[Randy Johnson]

Originally Posted by Kolianovskyi

Ok, I flashed my wife's x5 f15 n55 stock with bm3 st1 93. Initially tried st0 m2 but fеlt no difference.

So, on complete stock using sport displays (yes, I know it is not a right solution) it shown me somewhere close to 366 hps. I might say it is ~+60.

Now ordered CP.

Wait. You flashed a completely stock car with Bootmod3 stage 1?

How long did the stock charge pipe last?

[Kolianovskyi]

Originally Posted by Randy Johnson

Wait. You flashed a completely stock car with Bootmod3 stage 1?

How long did the stock charge pipe last?

It might last as long as it can. I read a lot of cases when stock charge pipes last for several years. In some cases, with aggressive drive, it might be broken within weeks or months.

I would say, probability that BM3 st1 cracks your stock charge pipe same day after you flash it, or within a week, <1%.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by Kolianovskyi

I would say, probability that BM3 st1 cracks your stock charge pipe same day after you flash it, or within a week, <1%.

Um no, not really. Most stock CPs blow within a week once you tune, many on the first WOT pull. If yours doesn't you are just lucky, but your statistics are backwards.

[GAB0]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

Um no, not really. Most stock CPs blow within a week once you tune, many on the first WOT pull. If yours doesn't you are just lucky, but your statistics are backwards.

I guess I got "lucky". I went stage one on a "new" (maybe a year old) OEM charge pipe and was ok for 5,000 miles. Then again I rarely got on it because I expected it to fail sooner or later. I've now upgraded the CP and Boost pipe along with the intercooler.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by GAB0

I guess I got "lucky". I went stage one on a "new" (maybe a year old) OEM charge pipe and was ok for 5,000 miles. Then again I rarely got on it because I expected it to fail sooner or later. I've now upgraded the CP and Boost pipe along with the intercooler.

Could be the redesigned OEM one

[exE36M3]

Just bumping this for posterity. I am a little surprised no one is pointing out the torque difference from stock to stage 1/M2. Torque IS acceleration (turns the wheels). The torque bump is stupidly nuts.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by exE36M3

Just bumping this for posterity. I am a little surprised no one is pointing out the torque difference from stock to stage 1/M2. Torque IS acceleration (turns the wheels). The torque bump is stupidly nuts.

It is more power under the curve, but the power delivery just sucks.