[dopper99]

Although the new M5 is xdrive and obviously much quicker off the mark, once rolling there is seems to be nothing in it.

Also someone in the comments mentioned Evolve has tested both and also said the F90 isn’t any quicker once rolling.

So you are paying out £90k for xdrive essentially (and a newer model of course). Is it worth it?

[E60525d]

Not really a surprise. Only a slight power increase but addtional 4wd drivetrain losses.

Similar story with the E63 too. The older W212 is just as quick as the latest W213 when rolling.

[OneExtra]

With the F10 M5 its really too quick for just RWD in most peoples hands. Obviously from a standstill the F90 is better but also coming out of corners as the F10 does get the TC working unless you are gentle with the accelerator.

I have found that when its wet the F10 needs to be treated very carefully and this is when the F90 would be at its best, the ability to use 600bhp in all conditions would be a massive advantage.

Anyone could probably drive an F90 fairly aggressively but its very different to do that in the F10. I am a reasonable driver but the way the F10 losses traction when you least expect it is not great. You just see the TC light flashing and think but I am in 3rd doing 70mph WTF

Currently a 10,000 mile F10 is about £45K for a decent spec with the F90 being £90K so for me the gap is too big.

The F10 is a performance bargain at £45K with maybe 10,000 miles on the clock with a 12 month warranty

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by dopper99

Although the new M5 is xdrive and obviously much quicker off the mark, once rolling there is seems to be nothing in it.

Also someone in the comments mentioned Evolve has tested both and also said the F90 isn’t any quicker once rolling.

So you are paying out £90k for xdrive essentially (and a newer model of course). Is it worth it?

Getting off the mark is the limitation of RWD, isn't it. xDrive does its job, but comes at a cost. Besides the extra price of the car with xDrive, with WOT accelerations the drivetrain losses will be at their highest.

As to the worth of the F90, it will become another "bargain M5", once the extra cost is turned into jaw dropping depreciation, in a year or so.

[sahajesh]

Originally Posted by dopper99

Although the new M5 is xdrive and obviously much quicker off the mark, once rolling there is seems to be nothing in it.

Also someone in the comments mentioned Evolve has tested both and also said the F90 isn’t any quicker once rolling.

So you are paying out £90k for xdrive essentially (and a newer model of course). Is it worth it?

As a rolling road is the last word in real-world handling, of course :

[JD6]

I suspect that the F90 would be faster around a track due to its ability to get the power down earlier as you come out of the corners, but in practice M5s aren't really designed for the track. The real test will be how it makes you feel when driving it, and the F10 M5 is a staggeringly good car. The power delivery is truly remarkable, the handling impressive for a car of its size and it's surprisingly refined. I have been completely blown away by them on each of the handful of occasions I have tried one.

I have too many other outgoings at the moment to consider switching to an F10 M5, but I'm hoping that will have settled down by the time a 1 year old F90 M5 is in my price range - mid 40s . 2020 perhaps.

So BMW, please keep flooding the market with them just like you do with every other car!

[KCH1984]

Originally Posted by OneExtra

With the F10 M5 its really too quick for just RWD in most peoples hands. Obviously from a standstill the F90 is better but also coming out of corners as the F10 does get the TC working unless you are gentle with the accelerator.

I have found that when its wet the F10 needs to be treated very carefully and this is when the F90 would be at its best, the ability to use 600bhp in all conditions would be a massive advantage.

Anyone could probably drive an F90 fairly aggressively but its very different to do that in the F10. I am a reasonable driver but the way the F10 losses traction when you least expect it is not great. You just see the TC light flashing and think but I am in 3rd doing 70mph WTF

Currently a 10,000 mile F10 is about £45K for a decent spec with the F90 being £90K so for me the gap is too big.

The F10 is a performance bargain at £45K with maybe 10,000 miles on the clock with a 12 month warranty

Plus the F10 is the better looking car

Any recent pics of yours? Think you'd mentioned somewhere that you ended up swapping out the grilles for the black ones?

[teaston]

It’s a road car, the most important performance trait is how fast you can pull away in the traffic light grand prix! Within 3.5secs you’ll be braking the speed limit on any UK road.

[Grant_7]

Originally Posted by teaston

It’s a road car, the most important performance trait is how fast you can pull away in the traffic light grand prix! Within 3.5secs you’ll be braking the speed limit on any UK road.

I used to think this too*






* when I was 7 years old.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Grant_7

I used to think this too*






* when I was 7 years old.

He's winking Grant

[teaston]

Originally Posted by Grant_7

I used to think this too*






* when I was 7 years old.

Says the guy who’s added an exhaust that crackles and pops to his car!

[Grant_7]

I know you're jealous of us x40i boys Teaspoon. Still, at least you have the fastest tractor in Norfolk.

Back on topic, £45k for a 10k mile F10 M5 is a lot of (very fast) car for the money.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by JD6

I suspect that the F90 would be faster around a track due to its ability to get the power down earlier as you come out of the corners, but in practice M5s aren't really designed for the track. The real test will be how it makes you feel when driving it, and the F10 M5 is a staggeringly good car. The power delivery is truly remarkable, the handling impressive for a car of its size and it's surprisingly refined. I have been completely blown away by them on each of the handful of occasions I have tried one.

I have too many other outgoings at the moment to consider switching to an F10 M5, but I'm hoping that will have settled down by the time a 1 year old F90 M5 is in my price range - mid 40s . 2020 perhaps.

So BMW, please keep flooding the market with them just like you do with every other car!

I'd put my money on the F10 round a track. They are indecently quick for a car of its size. See the results of how fast sessions, which is a tight track with heavy corners.

http://www.msvtrackdays.com/car/how-fast-leaderboard/

The F90 will be understeering all the way around, just like any FAWD car does. It will need good traction .....because it will be coming out of every corner going much slower in the first place.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

I'd put my money on the F10 round a track. They are indecently quick for a car of its size. See the results of how fast sessions, which is a tight track with heavy corners.

http://www.msvtrackdays.com/car/how-fast-leaderboard/

The F90 will be understeering all the way around, just like any FAWD car does. It will need good traction .....because it will be coming out of every corner going much slower in the first place.

I think the F10 M5 is a fantastic car. Driving a couple of them at the limit (or at least my limit) around Oulton Park is not something I’ll forget, even after trying some much faster cars. It’s a shame that BMW experience days have become more nannying these days.

While I can see your point, and I would still be surprised if the F90 wasn’t quicker.

[OneExtra]

Originally Posted by teaston

Says the guy who’s added an exhaust that crackles and pops to his car!

Can't argue with that!

[teaston]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

I'd put my money on the F10 round a track. They are indecently quick for a car of its size. See the results of how fast sessions, which is a tight track with heavy corners.

http://www.msvtrackdays.com/car/how-fast-leaderboard/

The F90 will be understeering all the way around, just like any FAWD car does. It will need good traction .....because it will be coming out of every corner going much slower in the first place.

You know the F90 can be switched to RWD at the push of a button!

[F30Andy]

Originally Posted by teaston

You know the F90 can be switched to RWD at the push of a button!

Try driving it with MDM active. I call it suicide mode.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by teaston

You know the F90 can be switched to RWD at the push of a button!

Does pushing that button make it 100kg lighter?

And a bit of a weird comment from you as you have already convinced us that AWD is better everywhere in every conceivable situation and circumstance, so why would you want to switch it off?

[OneExtra]

Originally Posted by KCH1984

Plus the F10 is the better looking car

Any recent pics of yours? Think you'd mentioned somewhere that you ended up swapping out the grilles for the black ones?

Here you go.

[KCH1984]

Originally Posted by OneExtra

Here you go.

Epic. Comp wheels look spot-on with the M5 in black.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Does pushing that button make it 100kg lighter?

And a bit of a weird comment from you as you have already convinced us that AWD is better everywhere in every conceivable situation and circumstance, so why would you want to switch it off?

No, it's 15kg lighter than the F10 M5 without having to press any buttons!

You were the one that said you prefer rwd on track.

[BMWILUVU]

The F90 is powerful, solid, stable, and yet the rear was playful on a track. I was extremely impressed. Whereas the F10 sometimes I thought I was about to lose control, the F90 felt as nimble as an M3.