what is the exact spec for pre-LCI 428i N20 engine oil capacity ?

IraHayes · 10-21-2018, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bavarianride

Interesting info, there is BMW 5w40 for motorcycle, so the same can be used for N20/N26?

http://www.sierrabmwonline.com/produ...2365958-p-1910

Hmm. I'm not sure that's the same oil. If you buy BMW 5w30 at the (car) dealership, you're basically buying re-branded Pennzoil Pure Platinum Euro 5w30. I'm not sure, but I don't believe the dealerships carry the 5w40 version. For that, you may have to order online, or check your local auto parts store to see if they carry it. My local Autozone has it, so that's where I usually pick it up.

Littlebear · 11-13-2018, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Billfitz

... If anything LL01 or its equivalent will give better engine protection....

Hi Bill,

Are there other specs you like to see your oil meet, such as ACEA or API?

Thanks, Murf

Billfitz · 11-13-2018, 10:13 PM

I use Molygen, it meets every spec that matters, even beating LL01FE.

Littlebear · 11-14-2018, 09:12 AM

I use Molygen for the summer, but want a 0w20 for the winter, which Molygen don't do...

Murf

Billfitz · 11-14-2018, 09:40 AM

I've never had a problem with 5w-30, and it gets a tad colder in New Hampshire than Brooklyn. Liqui Moly does make 0w-20 oils, just not in Molygen

Littlebear · 11-14-2018, 10:29 AM

Hi Bill,
I thought you lived in that mild coastal region, since you use 5w30.

But I go to the Adirondack Mountains often, which are as cold as anywhere in the NE. Last year the week between xmas & newyear was nights -20 to -30, days below -10, similar to your place?
Not too bad. I remember skiing Stowe with a wind chill of ~ -100....

SN or A3 doesn't excite you?

Murf

Billfitz · 11-14-2018, 11:26 AM

I'm on Lake Winnipesaukee. I worked in the ski industry for 25 years, driving to and staying at ski areas across New England every week. I've always used 5w-30. The last time I had a cold start problem was in January 1973, in Minnesota, where it was -20F for a daytime high. That was before synthetic oil. Since using synthetic exclusively, first with Mobil 1 in 1974, I've never had a cold start problem so long as the battery was OK.

Littlebear · 11-14-2018, 12:16 PM

Thanks Bill,

During a stay at Stowe in the last century, my 2002 wouldn't crank even when I brought the battery in at night. We tried to push it down the hill for a jump, but the wheel bearing grease was too thick & the car wouldn't roll. We skied ever day, though!
I was probably running 20w50 Castrol.

The place we go to now is in a wilderness area, no phone, no cell. I want no problems....

Murf

Littlebear · 11-15-2018, 05:17 AM

Hello BMW Experts!

Seems BMW is making the choice easier now. The say use LL-01 or LL-14FE.

But the two categories call for different things, especially for 'shear', which is what I thought LL-01 was good for. My conundrum is as this guy stated on BITOG:

"...The problem with the lower weight oil is that it rarely satisfies A3/B4 (>3.5). Oddly enough, the 340's manual calls for 0W-20 or, alternatively, 0W-40 or 5W-30 as long as it has A3/B4. Yet the prescribed oil (OW-20 LL14FE) is A1/B1.
I don't know... I guess I could start drinking the BITOG Kool Aid (PP). "

My manual (2017 330i) says nothing about ACEA specs.

Murf

Billfitz · 11-15-2018, 08:11 AM

14FE is 0w-20, which BMW started using with 2016 models. They did so to improve CAFE. Will it protect as well as 5w-30? I venture it will, for 4 years or 50,000 miles. But as its HTHS is no lower than that of the 5w-30 Molygen I'll stay with the Molygen.

bavarianride · 11-15-2018, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Littlebear

Hello BMW Experts!

Seems BMW is making the choice easier now. The say use LL-01 or LL-14FE.

But the two categories call for different things, especially for 'shear', which is what I thought LL-01 was good for. My conundrum is as this guy stated on BITOG:

"...The problem with the lower weight oil is that it rarely satisfies A3/B4 (>3.5). Oddly enough, the 340's manual calls for 0W-20 or, alternatively, 0W-40 or 5W-30 as long as it has A3/B4. Yet the prescribed oil (OW-20 LL14FE) is A1/B1.
I don't know... I guess I could start drinking the BITOG Kool Aid (PP). "

My manual (2017 330i) says nothing about ACEA specs.

Murf

Where is the spec that says BMW LL14FE 0w20 is A1/B1?

How about LL01FE 0w30, is that A3/B4?

According to this page, LL01 HTHS is >3.5cp, while LL14 is 2.6-2.9cp, so what is LL01FE?

https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Engine-Oil/

Littlebear · 11-17-2018, 08:44 AM

How about this:

Winter: 3/4 0w-20 LL14fe, 1/4 5w-30 LL01fe
Summer: 1/4 0w-20 LL14fe; 3/4 5w-30 LL01fe

Murf

Billfitz · 11-17-2018, 09:11 AM

I think you've sufficiently picked all the nits.

Littlebear · 11-17-2018, 12:37 PM

That's what makes life interesting!

F32Fleet · 11-17-2018, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Billfitz

I use Molygen, it meets every spec that matters, even beating LL01FE.

How does it "beat" LL01fe?

F32Fleet · 11-17-2018, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bavarianride

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Originally Posted by Littlebear

Hello BMW Experts!

Seems BMW is making the choice easier now. The say use LL-01 or LL-14FE.

But the two categories call for different things, especially for 'shear', which is what I thought LL-01 was good for. My conundrum is as this guy stated on BITOG:

"...The problem with the lower weight oil is that it rarely satisfies A3/B4 (>3.5). Oddly enough, the 340's manual calls for 0W-20 or, alternatively, 0W-40 or 5W-30 as long as it has A3/B4. Yet the prescribed oil (OW-20 LL14FE) is A1/B1.
I don't know... I guess I could start drinking the BITOG Kool Aid (PP). "

My manual (2017 330i) says nothing about ACEA specs.

Murf

Where is the spec that says BMW LL14FE 0w20 is A1/B1?

How about LL01FE 0w30, is that A3/B4?

According to this page, LL01 HTHS is >3.5cp, while LL14 is 2.6-2.9cp, so what is LL01FE?

https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Engine-Oil/

LL01FE is based on A5/B5. It has a HTHS of 3.0

LL01 is based on A3/B4. It has a HTHS of 3.5 or more.

Littlebear · 11-17-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by F32Fleet

LL01FE is based on A5/B5. It has a HTHS of 3.0

LL01 is based on A3/B4. It has a HTHS of 3.5 or more.

And then we have:

LL-14 (2014). API SN. ACEA A1/B1. SAE 0W20. HTHS rating is 2.6cP which makes it unsuitable as a performance oil.

LL-17 (2018). ACEA C5. SAE 0W20. Replaces the LL-14 spec for N20, B38, B46, B48, and B58 engines. Not well-suited as a performance oil.

Murf

Billfitz · 11-17-2018, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by F32Fleet

How does it "beat" LL01fe?

Post #16.

F32Fleet · 11-17-2018, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Billfitz

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Originally Posted by F32Fleet

How does it "beat" LL01fe?

Post #16.

That makes no sense. LL01FE was available* in Germany almost 20 yrs ago.

*LL01/01FE is an obsolete spec in Germany due in part to the introduction to ULSG.

F32Fleet · 11-17-2018, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Littlebear

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Originally Posted by F32Fleet

LL01FE is based on A5/B5. It has a HTHS of 3.0

LL01 is based on A3/B4. It has a HTHS of 3.5 or more.

And then we have:

LL-14 (2014). API SN. ACEA A1/B1. SAE 0W20. HTHS rating is 2.6cP which makes it unsuitable as a performance oil.

LL-17 (2018). ACEA C5. SAE 0W20. Replaces the LL-14 spec for N20, B38, B46, B48, and B58 engines. Not well-suited as a performance oil.

Murf

So why is it used in Germany?

Littlebear · 11-18-2018, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by F32Fleet

So why is it used in Germany?

Don't quite understand your question, but....
My question would be, why do Texas BMWs come with 0w-20 oil? If I keep my car off the track, I see no reason not to use 0w-20, even all year in the NE. BMW stopped building cars that need 20w-50 long ago, and now they build cars to use 0w-20.
Getting 'extra' protection, in some instances, is sometimes valid & good, but better gas mileage & burning less carbon (while getting better cold startup protection) is always good.

YMMV

Murf

sspade · 11-18-2018, 05:47 AM

Im running 5w40 year round in NorCal.

Recently switched from 0w40.

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Littlebear Banned 3510 Rep 2,044 Posts Drives: ...the Mods crazy. Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Not here, apparently.... iTrader: (2)	Thanks Bill, During a stay at Stowe in the last century, my 2002 wouldn't crank even when I brought the battery in at night. We tried to push it down the hill for a jump, but the wheel bearing grease was too thick & the car wouldn't roll. We skied ever day, though! I was probably running 20w50 Castrol. The place we go to now is in a wilderness area, no phone, no cell. I want no problems.... Murf Last edited by Littlebear; 10-30-2021 at 06:03 AM..
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Littlebear Banned 3510 Rep 2,044 Posts Drives: ...the Mods crazy. Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Not here, apparently.... iTrader: (2)	Hello BMW Experts! Seems BMW is making the choice easier now. The say use LL-01 or LL-14FE. But the two categories call for different things, especially for 'shear', which is what I thought LL-01 was good for. My conundrum is as this guy stated on BITOG: "...The problem with the lower weight oil is that it rarely satisfies A3/B4 (>3.5). Oddly enough, the 340's manual calls for 0W-20 or, alternatively, 0W-40 or 5W-30 as long as it has A3/B4. Yet the prescribed oil (OW-20 LL14FE) is A1/B1. I don't know... I guess I could start drinking the BITOG Kool Aid (PP). " My manual (2017 330i) says nothing about ACEA specs. Murf Last edited by Littlebear; 11-15-2018 at 08:50 AM..
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Billfitz Lieutenant General 8243 Rep 16,079 Posts Drives: '15 328iX GT Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New Hampshire iTrader: (0)	14FE is 0w-20, which BMW started using with 2016 models. They did so to improve CAFE. Will it protect as well as 5w-30? I venture it will, for 4 years or 50,000 miles. But as its HTHS is no lower than that of the 5w-30 Molygen I'll stay with the Molygen.
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