Sending donation to TokenMaster

kitster · 01-19-2019, 07:12 AM

Hi all,

I'm going to pay TM a donation for the Pro license. In his email it says the donation should be "Payment for service", however this option in PayPal also says "Seller pays the fees". Does that mean TM is going to charged a fee? Isn't paying a friend/family a better option??

Thanks.

Billfitz · 01-19-2019, 08:09 AM

Paying friends/family is fee free. Vendors cannot tell their customers to use that option to avoid paying fees, if they do they can lose their account. Vendors normally price their goods taking into account the fee. Whether a vendor takes payment via PayPal or credit card he pays a fee either way. With PayPal the fee is usually less than with credit card.

cjn · 01-19-2019, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kitster

Hi all,

I'm going to pay TM a donation for the Pro license. In his email it says the donation should be "Payment for service", however this option in PayPal also says "Seller pays the fees". Does that mean TM is going to charged a fee? Isn't paying a friend/family a better option??

Thanks.

Please let us know if you get a response. A lot of people have been waiting a long time.

justanurse · 01-19-2019, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cjn

Quote:

Originally Posted by kitster

Hi all,

I'm going to pay TM a donation for the Pro license. In his email it says the donation should be "Payment for service", however this option in PayPal also says "Seller pays the fees". Does that mean TM is going to charged a fee? Isn't paying a friend/family a better option??

Thanks.

Please let us know if you get a response. A lot of people have been waiting a long time.

Yea I was gonna buy until it was pretty in responsive it's a great program though

kitster · 01-19-2019, 03:23 PM

Well I've done it. I'm hoping it guess well! I had no issues back in 2015 when I got an EST from TM.

x5mad · 01-19-2019, 04:54 PM

Yeh I gave up.

Made a donation to charity more than 6 months ago and no response from him.

justanurse · 01-19-2019, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kitster

Well I've done it. I'm hoping it guess well! I had no issues back in 2015 when I got an EST from TM.

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Originally Posted by x5mad

Yeh I gave up.

Made a donation to charity more than 6 months ago and no response from him.

I think there's been some changes with him from then to now I know I read something FROM him detailing stressful stuff

xpro · 01-20-2019, 04:47 AM

Me too, sent the donation and hes nowhere to be heard from..

As much as I dont like supporting the clone/pirate stuff, but TM exposed him self to the market in way that he offered the service, but he wasn't able to honor it.
If that was the case, he was better off not doing it.

So now the licences and token activations can be bought on Ebay for as little as €15..
Someone obviously came up with a keygen and a crack to his software.

kitster · 01-20-2019, 04:52 AM

If TM doesn't cough up and I paid via PayPal as a service. I wonder how PayPal is going to handle this.

bgalakazam · 01-20-2019, 05:09 AM

Sharing overpriced auto software is one thing. Making money off it is completely another. Same with other people here asking for mandatory donations to download pirated software. Either share for free or not at all. This is getting all sorts of illegal...

kitster · 01-20-2019, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bgalakazam

Sharing overpriced auto software is one thing. Making money off it is completely another. Same with other people here asking for mandatory donations to download pirated software. Either share for free or not at all. This is getting all sorts of illegal...

Hmmmm. 😂 I can guess who that might be.

cjn · 01-20-2019, 07:39 AM

If TM has (apparently) abandoned support for any reason - other commitments, a fit of pique, whatever - that's his right to do so. What I find rather unacceptable is building a time bomb into his free software, without saying, for example, "this will stop working forever on 31 Dec, so if you want to continue you must subscribe to the Pro version" and then making it readily available to probably the majority of Premium users. I would have been very happy to follow his existing requirement (which I have done, with no result) or indeed to pay him personally for his excellent software. Without a valid and continuing Pro licence, all we have left is the very kind contribution and support for a rearming script, or the dirty backstreets of software piracy.

Another FDL editing option, which I have checked out in case of more difficulties, is to use Esys (without the launcher) to read and save all CAFD files. Then use TM's free NCD/CAFD tool to browse the ECU settings. Having made a list of changes, then use Bimmercode in expert mode to apply the edits. Re-read the CAFD with Esys and use TM's utility to compare before & after to check that it worked. A bit tedious but it has worked OK for me. Of course, VO coding is still available with Esys alone.

kitster · 01-20-2019, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cjn

If TM has (apparently) abandoned support for any reason - other commitments, a fit of pique, whatever - that's his right to do so. What I find rather unacceptable is building a time bomb into his free software, without saying, for example, "this will stop working forever on 31 Dec, so if you want to continue you must subscribe to the Pro version" and then making it readily available to probably the majority of Premium users. I would have been very happy to follow his existing requirement (which I have done, with no result) or indeed to pay him personally for his excellent software. Without a valid and continuing Pro licence, all we have left is the very kind contribution and support for a rearming script, or the dirty backstreets of software piracy.

Another FDL editing option, which I have checked out in case of more difficulties, is to use Esys (without the launcher) to read and save all CAFD files. Then use TM's free NCD/CAFD tool to browse the ECU settings. Having made a list of changes, then use Bimmercode in expert mode to apply the edits. Re-read the CAFD with Esys and use TM's utility to compare before & after to check that it worked. A bit tedious but it has worked OK for me. Of course, VO coding is still available with Esys alone.

I don't mind paying for something "if", I get it. If TM has truly given up then it should be "officially", posted on all the forums, rather than carry on taking donations.

atzebmw · 01-20-2019, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cjn

What I find rather unacceptable is building a time bomb into his free software, without saying, for example, "this will stop working forever on 31 Dec, so if you want to continue you must subscribe to the Pro version" and then making it readily available to probably the majority of Premium users.

He did ...

cjn · 01-20-2019, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by atzebmw

He did ...

Well, yes, sort of. Hardly a clear route map, and he has been passively accepting subscriptions for quite some time and apparently doing nothing, either to meet his promise or to shut it down.

Nunaat · 02-03-2019, 01:26 AM

I cant use cafd ncd tool 0.52 versión. If I use other versión there are no complete info in ECU. How can I get the cafd ncd software code.? I am using 4.15.20 full data and I am trying to see diferencies about hunbt cafd files with BMW online working and other cafd file with BMW online doesnt working. Thanks for our help

Billfitz · 02-03-2019, 01:45 PM

Suggest you start your own thread, as your question has no relevance whatsoever with the topic of this thread. Those who might be able to help may not see your question, and besides, it's bad form to hijack a thread.

kitster · 02-03-2019, 03:22 PM

I donated on 19th Jan. Still nothing from TM.

paimon.soror · 02-03-2019, 05:26 PM

Donated last year and never got a response. Feel good for the donation, but what a shitty thing to not hold up his end of the bargain

kitster · 03-03-2019, 06:32 AM

OK, so I've got nothing from TM. Therefore I asked PayPal for a refund, which has gone in my favour since TM never responds (inc to PayPal).

Happy to donate to charity but there is no evidence to suggest that my donation ever reached the hospital/institute.

Billfitz · 03-03-2019, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kitster

OK, so I've got nothing from TM. Therefore I asked PayPal for a refund, which has gone in my favour since TM never responds (inc to PayPal).

If the payee doesn't respond then PayPal normally would find in favor of the payer.

01-19-2019, 07:12 AM	#1
kitster Lieutenant Colonel 541 Rep 1,894 Posts Drives: G31 M Sport Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: London, UK iTrader: (0)	Sending donation to TokenMaster Hi all, I'm going to pay TM a donation for the Pro license. In his email it says the donation should be "Payment for service", however this option in PayPal also says "Seller pays the fees". Does that mean TM is going to charged a fee? Isn't paying a friend/family a better option?? Thanks.
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Billfitz Lieutenant General 8243 Rep 16,079 Posts Drives: '15 328iX GT Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New Hampshire iTrader: (0)	Paying friends/family is fee free. Vendors cannot tell their customers to use that option to avoid paying fees, if they do they can lose their account. Vendors normally price their goods taking into account the fee. Whether a vendor takes payment via PayPal or credit card he pays a fee either way. With PayPal the fee is usually less than with credit card.
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kitster Lieutenant Colonel 541 Rep 1,894 Posts Drives: G31 M Sport Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: London, UK iTrader: (0)	Well I've done it. I'm hoping it guess well! I had no issues back in 2015 when I got an EST from TM.
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01-19-2019, 04:54 PM	#6
x5mad Lieutenant Colonel 352 Rep 1,772 Posts Drives: iX 40 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List bmw [0.00]	Yeh I gave up. Made a donation to charity more than 6 months ago and no response from him.
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01-20-2019, 04:47 AM	#8
xpro Lieutenant 170 Rep 468 Posts Drives: 335XD Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Emerald iTrader: (0)	Me too, sent the donation and hes nowhere to be heard from.. As much as I dont like supporting the clone/pirate stuff, but TM exposed him self to the market in way that he offered the service, but he wasn't able to honor it. If that was the case, he was better off not doing it. So now the licences and token activations can be bought on Ebay for as little as €15.. Someone obviously came up with a keygen and a crack to his software.
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01-20-2019, 04:52 AM	#9
kitster Lieutenant Colonel 541 Rep 1,894 Posts Drives: G31 M Sport Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: London, UK iTrader: (0)	If TM doesn't cough up and I paid via PayPal as a service. I wonder how PayPal is going to handle this.
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bgalakazam Private First Class 94 Rep 172 Posts Drives: 2015 328i Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Germany iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 BMW 328i [0.00]	Sharing overpriced auto software is one thing. Making money off it is completely another. Same with other people here asking for mandatory donations to download pirated software. Either share for free or not at all. This is getting all sorts of illegal...
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01-20-2019, 07:39 AM	#12
cjn First Lieutenant 99 Rep 332 Posts Drives: 2021 F40 M135iX Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	If TM has (apparently) abandoned support for any reason - other commitments, a fit of pique, whatever - that's his right to do so. What I find rather unacceptable is building a time bomb into his free software, without saying, for example, "this will stop working forever on 31 Dec, so if you want to continue you must subscribe to the Pro version" and then making it readily available to probably the majority of Premium users. I would have been very happy to follow his existing requirement (which I have done, with no result) or indeed to pay him personally for his excellent software. Without a valid and continuing Pro licence, all we have left is the very kind contribution and support for a rearming script, or the dirty backstreets of software piracy. Another FDL editing option, which I have checked out in case of more difficulties, is to use Esys (without the launcher) to read and save all CAFD files. Then use TM's free NCD/CAFD tool to browse the ECU settings. Having made a list of changes, then use Bimmercode in expert mode to apply the edits. Re-read the CAFD with Esys and use TM's utility to compare before & after to check that it worked. A bit tedious but it has worked OK for me. Of course, VO coding is still available with Esys alone. Last edited by cjn; 01-20-2019 at 07:47 AM..
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02-03-2019, 01:26 AM	#16
Nunaat Private 7 Rep 58 Posts Drives: E34 525tds F33 420d I01 bmw i3 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Spain iTrader: (0)	I cant use cafd ncd tool 0.52 versión. If I use other versión there are no complete info in ECU. How can I get the cafd ncd software code.? I am using 4.15.20 full data and I am trying to see diferencies about hunbt cafd files with BMW online working and other cafd file with BMW online doesnt working. Thanks for our help
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Billfitz Lieutenant General 8243 Rep 16,079 Posts Drives: '15 328iX GT Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New Hampshire iTrader: (0)	Suggest you start your own thread, as your question has no relevance whatsoever with the topic of this thread. Those who might be able to help may not see your question, and besides, it's bad form to hijack a thread.
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02-03-2019, 03:22 PM	#18
kitster Lieutenant Colonel 541 Rep 1,894 Posts Drives: G31 M Sport Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: London, UK iTrader: (0)	I donated on 19th Jan. Still nothing from TM.
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paimon.soror Captain 629 Rep 965 Posts Drives: 2016 F36 435x MSport Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Hartford, CT iTrader: (3) Garage List 2016 BMW 435xi GC [6.00]	Donated last year and never got a response. Feel good for the donation, but what a shitty thing to not hold up his end of the bargain
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03-03-2019, 06:32 AM	#20
kitster Lieutenant Colonel 541 Rep 1,894 Posts Drives: G31 M Sport Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: London, UK iTrader: (0)	OK, so I've got nothing from TM. Therefore I asked PayPal for a refund, which has gone in my favour since TM never responds (inc to PayPal). Happy to donate to charity but there is no evidence to suggest that my donation ever reached the hospital/institute.
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