[328iX]

I've always used Pennzoil Euro L and bought it online as a reputable and very well priced oil. Today I saw it in stores. The only LL04 oil on their shelves. Unfortunately no oil filters. Price is $22.68

[M4_GTS]

The 2016 328d that I have calls for FE12 oil.

[328iX]

Originally Posted by M4_GTS

The 2016 328d that I have calls for FE12 oil.

Yup there was a switch for all diesels LL04 was the original spec

[sspade]

Nice find!

Considering this or going back to M1 0W40 (from LiquiMoly 5W40).

What OCI are you typically running?

[328iX]

Originally Posted by sspade

Nice find!

Considering this or going back to M1 0W40 (from LiquiMoly 5W40).

What OCI are you typically running?

5k OCI 80% highway though

[sspade]

Originally Posted by 328dX

5k OCI 80% highway though

Same here on both accounts.

[sspade]

Do they also carry the single qt containers?

JW the best way to achieve the optimal 5.3 qts required for an oil change...

[DieselSport]

Thats a great deal, unfortunately I just did an oil change and had to get the BMW original oil LL-12. It was about $11 a quart and like 30 bucks for the filter. Not too bad.

How many miles are on your wagon ? Do you switch to 5w-30 after certain miles ? The oil that i bought was 0w-30.

[Troy27]

Originally Posted by sspade

Nice find!

Considering this or going back to M1 0W40 (from LiquiMoly 5W40).

What OCI are you typically running?

Why did you switch from liquimoly?

[sspade]

Originally Posted by Troy27

Why did you switch from liquimoly?

Mainly due to cost and availability. Im paying about $35 per 5L and I have to order online.

That combined with the fact that my Blackstone analysis of M1 and LM were almost identical except the fact that Blackstone said I could technically run the LM longer than 5k miles (into about 6-7k).

I havent noticed any other magical happenings with LM oil so Ill probably go back to M1 Euro formula or possibly this new Penzoil option from Walmart.

Not counting Castrol out at this point either.

They key for me will be to continue using OEM filter and change oil every 5k religiously. If that is done, which of the three oils I choose is a most likely a moot point considering they are all top of the line synthetics (meant for turbo).

[Troy27]

Originally Posted by sspade

Mainly due to cost and availability. Im paying about $35 per 5L and I have to order online.

That combined with the fact that my Blackstone analysis of M1 and LM were almost identical except the fact that Blackstone said I could technically run the LM longer than 5k miles (into about 6-7k).

I havent noticed any other magical happenings with LM oil so Ill probably go back to M1 Euro formula or possibly this new Penzoil option from Walmart.

Not counting Castrol out at this point either.

They key for me will be to continue using OEM filter and change oil every 5k religiously. If that is done, which of the three oils I choose is a most likely a moot point considering they are all top of the line synthetics (meant for turbo).

I change mine every 5k Mike's and was thinking of going to liquimoly. I can't find M1 5w-40 that's BMW LLO1 Approved.

[Enabled]

I think for the diesels you can run 7-8,000+ miles just fine.

The switch to LL-12, a 0W-30 weight, was for more engine efficiency... But the tradeoff is potentially less protection, when very hot, especially in tuned cars. Even though it's still considered a 30 weight when hot, it's still a very light 30 weight.

I'm starting to be skeptical of the 5w-30, as it thins out a bit towards the end of the interval according to a few Blackstone reports I have seen *EDIT, see below*. A thick diesel oriented 5w-30 or maybe even a 5w-40 would protect it a bit better.




EDIT
I found out the Blackstone report had the 5w-40 specs as the "should be" column, leading to a misleading interpretation that it lost viscosity. It was perfectly within spec still when using BMW LL-04 ranges

[sspade]

Originally Posted by Troy27

I change mine every 5k Mike's and was thinking of going to liquimoly. I can't find M1 5w-40 that's BMW LLO1 Approved.

It's not anymore. They change the approvals like clockwork and its clearly driven by money. M1 0W40 is actually listed in my owners manual, so I know its okay. I was running it prior to my last 4 changes with LM (20,000 miles ago).

Also- M1 is the factory fill for the following high performance vehicles. If its good enough for their engines, I like my chances with my N20. Especially at the bargain price of under $23 for 5qts.

https://mobiloil.com/en/article/why-...il-1-motor-oil

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mobil-1-A...-5-qt/23636902

(pic below from 2014 328i owners manual)

[FaRKle!]

I think 5k is an excessive OCI for the N47. I do Blackstone reports on all my changes and with BMW brand LL04 and M1 ESP Formula (RIP) 8k has been fine. Some oil changes have had 6 track days on them too.

[328iX]

Originally Posted by DieselSport

Thats a great deal, unfortunately I just did an oil change and had to get the BMW original oil LL-12. It was about $11 a quart and like 30 bucks for the filter. Not too bad.

How many miles are on your wagon ? Do you switch to 5w-30 after certain miles ? The oil that i bought was 0w-30.

Difference between 0-30 and 5-30 isn't much. There is really no mileage to switch at. I'm in SoCal so it's 100 degrees here and the 0 cold weight isn't needed at all.

It's actually probably better to run 5-30 or 5-40 in this extreme heat.

I still run 0-30 because I have the maintenance plan. So I change it at 5k myself, and at the 10k point I let BMW change it free.

[328iX]

Originally Posted by sspade

Mainly due to cost and availability. Im paying about $35 per 5L and I have to order online.

That combined with the fact that my Blackstone analysis of M1 and LM were almost identical except the fact that Blackstone said I could technically run the LM longer than 5k miles (into about 6-7k).

I havent noticed any other magical happenings with LM oil so Ill probably go back to M1 Euro formula or possibly this new Penzoil option from Walmart.

Not counting Castrol out at this point either.

They key for me will be to continue using OEM filter and change oil every 5k religiously. If that is done, which of the three oils I choose is a most likely a moot point considering they are all top of the line synthetics (meant for turbo).

There is no "premium" filter for our car sadly. All appear to be a cellulose/hybrid synthetic media as there's only a handful of manufactures. I want to say Mahle and Mann only make about 99% of them for all other retailers.

By the way, M1 is horrible oil, it's all marketing. Super tech at Walmart (the dirt cheap stuff) has a higher detergent and anti-wear additive count than Mobil1.

[328iX]

Originally Posted by Enabled

I think for the diesels you can run 7-8,000+ miles just fine.

The switch to LL-12, a 0W-30 weight, was for more engine efficiency... But the tradeoff is potentially less protection, when very hot, especially in tuned cars. Even though it's still considered a 30 weight when hot, it's still a very light 30 weight.

I'm starting to be skeptical of the 5w-30, as it thins out a bit towards the end of the interval according to a few Blackstone reports I have seen. A thick diesel oriented 5w-30 or maybe even a 5w-40 would protect it a bit better.

I agree I hate the 0w30, only run it because last owner bought the maintenance plan on my car so I get free changes till 75k, and that way I get it logged in their system/carfax. I change it myself at the 5k mark with 5w30 and have them do it at the 10k interval

[DieselSport]

Originally Posted by Enabled

The switch to LL-12, a 0W-30 weight, was for more engine efficiency... But the tradeoff is potentially less protection, when very hot, especially in tuned cars. Even though it's still considered a 30 weight when hot, it's still a very light 30 weight.

I'm starting to be skeptical of the 5w-30, as it thins out a bit towards the end of the interval according to a few Blackstone reports I have seen. A thick diesel oriented 5w-30 or maybe even a 5w-40 would protect it a bit better.

Originally Posted by 328dX

Difference between 0-30 and 5-30 isn't much. There is really no mileage to switch at. I'm in SoCal so it's 100 degrees here and the 0 cold weight isn't needed at all.

It's actually probably better to run 5-30 or 5-40 in this extreme heat.

Its due to hit 100 degrees today and 98 tomorrow where i am at, i guess it wont help that my car is tuned as well. The owners manual does say only LL-12, so im not sure. Ill need to do more research and maybe in the next 6k-7k miles ill try 5w-30 oil.

Originally Posted by Troy27

I change mine every 5k Mike's and was thinking of going to liquimoly. I can't find M1 5w-40 that's BMW LLO1 Approved.

Looks like you can use LL-04 spec 5w-40, it is approved to use on engines that require LL-01.

Here are BMW oil specs:

[335icandy]

Quick question here - I accidentally purchased Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W-30 Fully Synthetic .... then realized our hood sticker and manual recommended 0w30.... should I be worried and go exchange for 0w30? Or is 5w30 perfectly okay as well?

Anyone else using this oil? Thoughts?

[sspade]

Originally Posted by 328dX

So I change it at 5k myself, and at the 10k point I let BMW change it free.

This is exactly what I did until warranty was up.

[sspade]

Originally Posted by 328dX

By the way, M1 is horrible oil, it's all marketing. Super tech at Walmart (the dirt cheap stuff) has a higher detergent and anti-wear additive count than Mobil1.

WHAT!?

I dont want to start an argument because I am not a scientist and you will probably win. But I am shocked...

Factory fill on some of the most advanced engines on the market and also recommended by BMW for certain model years and you're outright calling it garbage?

Thats actually hilarious.

[FaRKle!]

Originally Posted by sspade

WHAT!?

I dont want to start an argument because I am not a scientist and you will probably win. But I am shocked...

Factory fill on some of the most advanced engines on the market and also recommended by BMW for certain model years and you're outright calling it garbage?

Thats actually hilarious.

Yup, blanket statements without data on the population are garbage, but if someone wants to run Super Tech oil in their N47, it's not my engine...

My own Blackstone reports show M1 ESP Formula 5w-30 lasting longer than BMW brand LL-04 5w-30. Yes, truely "horrible."