[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by Phantom10R

I have 93 octane and redline fuel system cleaner in my tank right now otherwise I'd log it. I have e70 in the car for way too long. maybe I can give it a try this weekend? I can't see how it'll be any different than my cary Jordan tune though.

It would be great data if you could log your custom tune, then flash the 2+ E30 map and log that. Ideally both 4th gear pulls. The comparison would be very interesting. E70 is pretty high for the OTS map, but based on the fact that all the logs ive seen on it have pretty negative fuel corrections, it should accommodate more ethanol easily.

[FastF30]

Originally Posted by Phantom10R

I have 93 octane and redline fuel system cleaner in my tank right now otherwise I'd log it. I have e70 in the car for way too long. maybe I can give it a try this weekend? I can't see how it'll be any different than my cary Jordan tune though.

See your in Chelsea... My Mom lives there... she just sold her vette that she has been driving upto her last birthday of 80 years old... She drives crazier than I do... lol... so if you see a Lincoln Suv flying around that's probably her...she loves to drive fast...

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

It would be great data if you could log your custom tune, then flash the 2+ E30 map and log that. Ideally both 4th gear pulls. The comparison would be very interesting. E70 is pretty high for the OTS map, but based on the fact that all the logs ive seen on it have pretty negative fuel corrections, it should accommodate more ethanol easily.

I’ll second this. Let’s see the comparo!

This OTS is better than the map Cary did for me, but we were only tuning for E47.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by ctt300

Stg 2 race gas is the equivalent to the Stg 2 E30 map and I've ran that extensively. This feels about 40% more powerful, as it is about 50+ WHP and has much more torquey deliciousness. I've been running the Stg 2H E30 map and this is about 30% over that from the way it feels and produces about 35 WHP more and maybe 30 ft lbs more torque.

Just a very smooth and very powerful power band. Exceptional tune!!!

Great to hear.

I haven’t tried Stg 2+ Race Gas, yet, but my jump to Stg 2+ E30 from Stg 2 E30 was huge! 50whp on the dyno!

[n55david]

Originally Posted by FastF30

See your in Chelsea... My Mom lives there... she just sold her vette that she has been driving upto her last birthday of 80 years old... She drives crazier than I do... lol... so if you see a Lincoln Suv flying around that's probably her...she loves to drive fast...

lol thats awesome. ill keep a look out!

[n55david]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

It would be great data if you could log your custom tune, then flash the 2+ E30 map and log that. Ideally both 4th gear pulls. The comparison would be very interesting. E70 is pretty high for the OTS map, but based on the fact that all the logs ive seen on it have pretty negative fuel corrections, it should accommodate more ethanol easily.

okay, ill see what I can do. weather has been crap here too now thats its getting colder.

[designatedposter]

Originally Posted by ZM2

So, how does it feel compared to the regular Stg 2 Race Gas?

I'll reserve my final thoughts from my butt dyno until I have a chance to run it worry free. The few pulls I did were really focused on listening and feeling for issues. I'm 6mt and last time I had slip was when I was testing 7.0 where boost spiked to 21psi or so and my clutch couldn't handle it. Once I get a chance to close up the gap on my spark plug to eliminate misfires, I'll provide a report on the 'feel'.

FYI this is stage 2 race gas to stage 2+ race gas.

[lens]

Originally Posted by designatedposter

I'll reserve my final thoughts from my butt dyno until I have a chance to run it worry free. The few pulls I did were really focused on listening and feeling for issues. I'm 6mt and last time I had slip was when I was testing 7.0 where boost spiked to 21psi or so and my clutch couldn't handle it. Once I get a chance to close up the gap on my spark plug to eliminate misfires, I'll provide a report on the 'feel'.

FYI this is stage 2 race gas to stage 2+ race gas.

I wouldn't run this as well...your WGDC is essentially maxed out, aka you're running the turbo to it's absolute limits, you can expect it to have a considerably low life span, and it's absolutely not healthy at all. STFT are also pretty bad. thejeremyman9 you agree?

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

Tried to find some good pulls in there but its way too messy. I would get a couple proper logs before trying to run this. I highly doubt you are going to be able to support 19+ psi with stock HPFP, it usually crashes bad around 17.5 psi with e30. If you dial back ethanol, your timing is likely going to suffer. I don't understand your logic at all that lower HPFP target will help it not drop as much... the target is irrelevant to the amount the HPFP can supply; if it can only supply enough fuel to hold xxxx psi pressure, it doesnt matter if the target is 2450 or 2800. Aside from that, you also aren't supposed to run it with stock DP... but carry on if you wish.

Check the WGDC lol, that's all you need to see to know, 99% at most times, don't worry about the HPFP, worry about the turbo life.

[ctt300]

Stock HPFP, stock downpipe

Ok just performed a full flash to make sure nothing was wrong with the initial flash. Got a couple 4th gear logs but STFT looks to show needs more adaptation time or maybe more E content. Timing gets a bit pulled up top as well. Does maintain about 20psi to redline. Stays WGDC under 90% till about 5300RPM. Will log again once have more than 5 miles on this flash to see if more adaptation needs to occur. Also HPFP psi target stayed at 2850+ psi and not 2450 psi, so not sure why it is higher than others on stock hpfp and others on this ver 7.1 map in general with all the maps I've tried.

3rd log: https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...0b43028e1f96a3

2nd log: https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...90c6721a667d74

1st Log: https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...729b52119f1d82

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by chaungo

I wouldn't run this as well...your WGDC is essentially maxed out, aka you're running the turbo to it's absolute limits, you can expect it to have a considerably low life span, and it's absolutely not healthy at all. STFT are also pretty bad. thejeremyman9 you agree?



Check the WGDC lol, that's all you need to see to know, 99% at most times, don't worry about the HPFP, worry about the turbo life.

From what i have seen the high WGDC is basically unavoidable with this tune if you are running stock turbo. That's really just the nature of this tune (or a custom tune for that matter) that is made to extract as much boost/power out of the stock turbo. There's really no way you are going to hold 20 psi in the upper RPM without 95+% WGDC on stock turbo. Indeed its very possible you are accelerating wear and tear on the turbo, it really just depends on how much you are driving this way and how comfortable you are with running a tune that maxes out your hardware. If you are just doing some pulls here and there with high WGDC for a few seconds it may not be a big deal, but if you are doing autobahn runs or track time where you are in high RPM high WGDC situation for extended periods of time it may be more of a concern. I believe ZM2 said he was tracking on this map, but he has upgraded turbo, so his WGDC was 5-10% lower from what i remember, so in a more sustainable range.

So bottom line i think it comes down to intended use and personal comfort with running at the limits of hardware.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by ctt300

Stock HPFP, stock downpipe

Ok just performed a full flash to make sure nothing was wrong with the initial flash. Got a couple 4th gear logs but STFT looks to show needs more adaptation time or maybe more E content. Timing gets a bit pulled up top as well. Does maintain about 20psi to redline. Stays WGDC under 90% till about 5300RPM. Will log again once have more than 5 miles on this flash to see if more adaptation needs to occur. Also HPFP psi target stayed at 2850+ psi and not 2450 psi, so not sure why it is higher than others on stock hpfp and others on this ver 7.1 map in general with all the maps I've tried.

3rd log: https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...0b43028e1f96a3

2nd log: https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...90c6721a667d74

1st Log: https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...729b52119f1d82

Just took a quick look though. HPFP is dipping significantly in every pull. Timing isnt TOO bad, but also not great, especially in the pull you get a knock followed by timing corrections. Problem is, you can't go to higher E content with stock HPFP as you are already past the limit. The WGDC is about in line with the other logs, as are the STFTs, were most people are showing about -10% with this map. The timing targets are STFTs are consistent with the map being made to support ethanol over 30% - i would consider 30% ethanol more of a minimum for this map, whereas its more of a maximum for the stage 2 map due to stock HPFP limitations.

[ZM2]

Man, I couldn’t use the Stg 2 E30 map below 65F without HPFP drop outs, and had to stick to E25 most of the time.

I think you guys trying the Stg 2+ E30 map with the stock HPFP are nuts!

[FastF30]

Originally Posted by ctt300

Stock HPFP, stock downpipe

Ok just performed a full flash to make sure nothing was wrong with the initial flash. Got a couple 4th gear logs but STFT looks to show needs more adaptation time or maybe more E content. Timing gets a bit pulled up top as well. Does maintain about 20psi to redline. Stays WGDC under 90% till about 5300RPM. Will log again once have more than 5 miles on this flash to see if more adaptation needs to occur. Also HPFP psi target stayed at 2850+ psi and not 2450 psi, so not sure why it is higher than others on stock hpfp and others on this ver 7.1 map in general with all the maps I've tried.

3rd log: https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...0b43028e1f96a3

2nd log: https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...90c6721a667d74

1st Log: https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...729b52119f1d82

Are you Xdrive or Rwd?

[ctt300]

Originally Posted by FastF30

Are you Xdrive or Rwd?

RWD

[FastF30]

Originally Posted by ctt300

RWD

Now these numbers jive with what was expected with proper weights etc... You timing is killing your HP in the upper range... Possible cure one-step colder @ .22gap plugs?? ... mix your gas just perfect so you don't crash your pump and plugs and you should have some nice numbers...

You'll see some better pump pressure with a little less corn and maybe some boostane...

Maybe your car still needs to adjust... Mine did ... I had logs like this also after just flashing... major change after 50+/- varying throttled miles...

In my opinion... this would be in the same ballpark as an actual dyno if this was a flat road run... just my opinion...

Thank you sooo much for taking the time to get some usable logs....

[ctt300]

Originally Posted by FastF30

Now these numbers jive with what was expected with proper weights etc... You timing is killing your HP in the upper range... Possible cure one-step colder @ .22gap plugs?? ... mix your gas just perfect so you don't crash your pump and plugs and you should have some nice numbers...

You'll see some better pump pressure with a little less corn and maybe some boostane...

Maybe your car still needs to adjust... Mine did ... I had logs like this also after just flashing... major change after 50+/- varying throttled miles...

In my opinion... this would be in the same ballpark as an actual dyno... just my opinion...

Thank you sooo much for taking the time to get some usable logs....

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Cool beans and I just reset all adaptations and will drive around for a while before next logs. It had way better timing up top before this last full flash so it must be the adaptations holding it back. It was hitting 13.5 degrees on the high end all cylinders. Thanks for doing this!

[FastF30]

Originally Posted by ctt300

Cool beans and I just reset all adaptations and will drive around for a while before next logs. It had way better timing up top before this last full flash so it must be the adaptations holding it back. It was hitting 13.5 degrees on the high end all cylinders. Thanks for doing this!

Thank you for doing this... I really enjoy comparing all these mods... on your pump pressure though... if you had a full tank ... just add and I mean it just ONE-Gallon of gas... should fix it....

Looking forward to your new logs... remember cold and dry days are best.. check your future local forecast and plan accordingly.... I do...lol...

[designatedposter]

Stock 6mt clutch isn't cutting it.. Thanks for nothing halim! Can you revise tune to increase clamping force on my clutch

I'm either dialing back to regular stage 2 or try the boost reduction option.

I've noticed that the stage 2+ wastegate behavior is more boost happy over stage 2. Means less lag when you step on it. Also Means more wmi sprayed.

Just noticed the photo is low res. What I'm showing is my rpm spiking at 3000rpm whereas vehicle speed is linear. Iat about 70f

[FastF30]

Originally Posted by ctt300

Cool beans and I just reset all adaptations and will drive around for a while before next logs. It had way better timing up top before this last full flash so it must be the adaptations holding it back. It was hitting 13.5 degrees on the high end all cylinders. Thanks for doing this!

I added my log into the mix... in my opinion... this is all your basically gonna get with a stock HPFP.... No matter what tune it is...

Mine is the Orange line...

[n55david]

did some logs with the 2+ map.. my car hates it.

timing is all over the place, and you can feel it. I kept adding ethanol and it never really improved. really really weird unless I'm getting bad fuel. felt like it was missing etc

so.. I'm pissed off right now and shot off a message to Cary Jordan.. my boost is hold well above 6k..

I dunno whats going on..

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...729b518ea8af80

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...90c67183eb9bd8

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...729b518ea8af8a

way too much e85 in the tank on the last one..

I never had an issue with boost of fuel pressure.. looks like I may spend the money and switch tuners :/

[ZM2]

Your post is a bit confusing.

This is the OTS Stg 2+ E30 map? If so, why email CJ about your custom tune?

I mean, my CJ feelings can be found here, but just trying to figure out your post: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9#post26836879

Originally Posted by Phantom10R

did some logs with the 2+ map.. my car hates it.

timing is all over the place, and you can feel it. I kept adding ethanol and it never really improved. really really weird unless I'm getting bad fuel. felt like it was missing etc

so.. I'm pissed off right now and shot off a message to Cary Jordan.. my boost is hold well above 6k..

I dunno whats going on..

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...729b518ea8af80

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...90c67183eb9bd8

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f94...729b518ea8af8a

way too much e85 in the tank on the last one..

I never had an issue with boost of fuel pressure.. looks like I may spend the money and switch tuners :/

[n55david]

Originally Posted by ZM2

Your post is a bit confusing.

This is the OTS Stg 2+ E30 map? If so, why email CJ about your custom tune?

I mean, my CJ feelings can be found here, but just trying to figure out your post: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9#post26836879

yep its the ots map

Carys map had my boost falling off hard at 6k and ill have fuel pressure issues if I have anything more than e71 in the tank.

he keeps saying its fine. the ots map proves that I can make 20psi at 6200+ etc

gonna flash back to the cjordan map tomorrow and log and see what happens