[av689]

Hello everyone!
Even though I have n20, I will post it here, as there are more people reading n55 section. I am having my car for slightly less than a year, been happy with it so far, but always wanted to go for a swap. And two liters probably not being your dream engine, as we all dream big, right? So it's not the question of getting a new car- either 335, or m3. It is more about the process of building your OWN car. And probably going as bad ass as you can I am currently doing some kind of research on options for the swap, options actually being the following:

1) s63tu+dct+probably jb4 later on
2) n54+single turbo conversion+6MT (+320i badge and stealth look lol)

Yeah, I know those are probably not on par, but those are definitely the once that are of particular interest for me right now, with the priority set on the first one of course. So the main question would be- is it possible to fit s63tu into f30? If someone knows, where to find some info on engine dimensions, I'll be really thankful to that person! Which do you think will be easier to install taking into account all the electronics etc. and which one will be more fun to drive?

Thanks everyone!!! Yeah, it sounds a bit nuts, but that's exactly the way I want it to be

[M-terkait]

id get n54 which should be much cheaper and i think it would fit very nice, not sure if you can get S63tu that easy.

[av689]

Originally Posted by M-terkait

id get n54 which should be much cheaper and i think it would fit very nice, not sure if you can get S63tu that easy.

Thank you for your reply! What do you think about ECU? I'll definitely have to use ECU off e90/92, I think. Will it be possible to mate it to NBT and other stuff though?

[335i_4D]

Badass as I could ?

Either the S85 V10 from the prev. gen M5, or the S63 from the actual M5 w/DCT.

[Krelle]

Why not get the new M3 engine?
It's light weight, will fit and has potential.
You'll probably end up spending as much on the other two options.

Ok, the sound of the M5 is cool.
/Krelle

[av689]

Originally Posted by 335i_4D

Badass as I could ?

Either the S85 V10 from the prev. gen M5, or the S63 from the actual M5 w/DCT.

Yeah, I would love to go for s63tu as I said, but the question is whether it is going to fit? Especially taking into consideration that the MHR m3 with s63 off the X6m has that awkward bonnet because of the turbos..

[av689]

Originally Posted by Krelle

Why not get the new M3 engine?
It's light weight, will fit and has potential.
You'll probably end up spending as much on the other two options.

Ok, the sound of the M5 is cool.
/Krelle

yeah, probably it has, but then I will end up having some kind of an m3 everyone one else has. And I would like to have something absolutely different. I have already found where it is possible to get the s63tu and dct, so I am kind of saving money for it, but I need find out first if the engine is gonna fit in terms of it's height, that's the point
Thanks for your reply!

[Mike_L]

You can always make it fit. Making it work, I seriously doubt. Not with all the electronics these days.

[Agamemnon]

I agree with the above comment about modern electronics. This engine swap thing is just never going to happen. It is not the sixties anymore.

[Krelle]

Originally Posted by Mike_L

You can always make it fit. Making it work, I seriously doubt. Not with all the electronics these days.

All comfort electronics can run on the original system and the engine can be managed on ie VEMS or MEGASQUIRT, (AEM)
/Krelle

[Krelle]

Originally Posted by av689

yeah, probably it has, but then I will end up having some kind of an m3 everyone one else has. And I would like to have something absolutely different. I have already found where it is possible to get the s63tu and dct, so I am kind of saving money for it, but I need find out first if the engine is gonna fit in terms of it's height, that's the point
Thanks for your reply!

Just make a carbon fibre scoop like on the us cars. Everyone that look at this will think it's just for fun.
/Krelle

[Mike_L]

Originally Posted by Krelle

All comfort electronics can run on the original system and the engine can be managed on ie VEMS or MEGASQUIRT, (AEM)
/Krelle

Doesn't work that way. With a CANBus system, everything has to talk to everything else, or nothing will work. Engine has to talk to the chassis, chassis has to talk to the brakes, etc. The average new car has 30-something computer modules. My 750 has 58. I'd guess the F30 has 40-something, and they all need to communicate with each other. Pull out the engine ones, and then the loop is incomplete and dead.

[Krelle]

Originally Posted by Mike_L

Doesn't work that way. With a CANBus system, everything has to talk to everything else, or nothing will work. Engine has to talk to the chassis, chassis has to talk to the brakes, etc. The average new car has 30-something computer modules. My 750 has 58. I'd guess the F30 has 40-something, and they all need to communicate with each other. Pull out the engine ones, and then the loop is incomplete and dead.

It can all be simulated, but I aggree this will never be 100%.
This guy want's a race car on public road, right!? This is an option to consider.
/Krelle

[av689]

Originally Posted by Krelle

All comfort electronics can run on the original system and the engine can be managed on ie VEMS or MEGASQUIRT, (AEM)
/Krelle

Originally Posted by Mike_L

Doesn't work that way. With a CANBus system, everything has to talk to everything else, or nothing will work. Engine has to talk to the chassis, chassis has to talk to the brakes, etc. The average new car has 30-something computer modules. My 750 has 58. I'd guess the F30 has 40-something, and they all need to communicate with each other. Pull out the engine ones, and then the loop is incomplete and dead.

Thx for replies! But the MHR e92 is using the X6m's engine and trans and I assume ECU with no problem. And they have working nav as well.

I believe they are using x6m ECU, and when the car is connected to ESYS or whatever it thinks it is an x6m. I agree that f series are probably more complicated than e series...

[Dosturbos]

If you want a powerful motor that is easy to tune and has tons of aftermarket options, go N54.
Just be prepared to deal with fueling issues and other BS.
I miss the power of my tuned N54 with stage 2 turbos, but not all the problems associated. I am happy with my N55 8AT, with the Jb4 installed, throttle response and power delivery are fast.

[Krelle]

Those Manhardt guy's deserves respect !!

[av689]

Will it be possible to mate n54 off 1m with f30 cluster, steering wheel buttons and NBT and also keep the M button functional? I know that you can install the NBT on e series using the "Exx NBT retrofit adapter", but I'm interested in keeping my cluster and steering wheel as well. Someone who knows about electronics in these cars please chime in. PS: I have just found an n54 off 1m at a pretty decent price and I am really interested in this offer

[335i_4D]

@Mike_L, tell that to the E30 running an S85.

Transmission and engine swap together, no doubt.
As for the rest, possible to get rid of them and still have a greatly working car.
Never said it would be plug and play, more like plug and pray.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

It would probably be a better bang for the buck to get an N54 and modify that.

[Mike_L]

Originally Posted by 335i_4D

@Mike_L, tell that to the E30 running an S85.

Transmission and engine swap together, no doubt.
As for the rest, possible to get rid of them and still have a greatly working car.
Never said it would be plug and play, more like plug and pray.

E30 isn't a CAN-Bus car. It doesn't have the million computers that the F30 does.

[335i_4D]

Never said it would be easy, but the MHR is yet another example that it could work.

All the different system are built to talk to one another, but this isn't mandatory to have the car working.
It's not because the tire pressure's low that the transmission won't shift.
But they could use some of those key component to trigger protective measure, like limp mode for example.

Would I do it personally, no.
If the car doesn't cut it anymore, I'd sell it and get another one.

BTW, many systems working together isn't new.
When I used to work for GM, the Buick LeSabre 1988 had many of those systems "trying" to work together...

[av689]

Originally Posted by 335i_4D

Never said it would be easy, but the MHR is yet another example that it could work.

All the different system are built to talk to one another, but this isn't mandatory to have the car working.
It's not because the tire pressure's low that the transmission won't shift.
But they could use some of those key component to trigger protective measure, like limp mode for example.

Would I do it personally, no.
If the car doesn't cut it anymore, I'd sell it and get another one.

BTW, many systems working together isn't new.
When I used to work for GM, the Buick LeSabre 1988 had many of those systems "trying" to work together...

I am also judging from another example that e series owners install NBT with no problem using Exx NBT retrofit adapter that converts CAN bus protocol BN2000 into BN2020 and everything works absolutely fine including vehicle info and etc. And people used to say it is impossible...I just hope i will be able to find the right shop to make everything happen with my N54 ideas. As for the transmission I wanna go 6MT, so it will shift anyway :roll eyes: btw have you recently seen the s65 yellow 1m clone from russia? I know where to get the contact of right peoplelol