[AzzaF30]

Afternoon All

A friend has just bought an F30 jan 2017, from the looks of the interface he has ID4, Can ID4 on this hardware be upgraded to ID5/6?, do NBT EVO ID4 have the 2gb of ram or do they run 4gb like the NBT evo 5/6?

Cheers

[atzebmw]

In January 2017 there was actually no longer an ID4. There was only ID5 (later ID6).
Unless the car was built much earlier.
The ID4 was available with 2GB RAM, but also some models with 4GB RAM (I would have to do some research how to find out).
You can flash an ID4 to ID5 / 6. It works better with 4GB RAM. Crashes are common with 2GB of RAM.

[AzzaF30]

Originally Posted by atzebmw

In January 2017 there was actually no longer an ID4. There was only ID5 (later ID6).
Unless the car was built much earlier.
The ID4 was available with 2GB RAM, but also some models with 4GB RAM (I would have to do some research how to find out).
You can flash an ID4 to ID5 / 6. It works better with 4GB RAM. Crashes are common with 2GB of RAM.

yeah its a strange build, from what bimmertech says ID5/6 come out feb 17

[atzebmw]

Originally Posted by AzzaF30

yeah its a strange build, from what bimmertech says ID5/6 come out feb 17

Unfortunately, this is not true.
Here a picture from the parts catalog with part numbers and built dates.

[AzzaF30]

Hmm, i ran a report on the VIN from Bimmerwork and it says the production date is 2017/1/18 and the screen is definitely ID4 as it has no tiles like ID5/6. Ill have to pull the HU when he collects it and look at the P/N

[XanderX]

Originally Posted by AzzaF30

Hmm, i ran a report on the VIN from Bimmerwork and it says the production date is 2017/1/18 and the screen is definitely ID4 as it has no tiles like ID5/6. Ill have to pull the HU when he collects it and look at the P/N

Connect to esys and take a look ai swfl 271a
If it starts with 1 it's id4 or with tool 32 and check how many GB has got on RAM

[Laurens0619]

Just pull the plastic directly behind your shift knob to check the hw version. No screwdriver needed

[AzzaF30]

just coming back to this, pulled the HU after reading you can check HW versions on the label(attached) now the only thing i can see is HW 004.003.003?

Most places say it should have a serial number and a HW version of 4.3.

Any insight would be appreaciated.

Cheers

[XanderX]

Hmm id4 i think. Do you have an enet cable and a laptop? It’s easy to connect with esys and do a version check. I can help you if u want.

[AzzaF30]

Yeah its currently ID4, i do have an enet cable and esys, could you tell me what i need to do to check for ID5/6 compatibility?

Cheers

[XanderX]

Install esys 3.30.1 and connect to the car. Send me a private message with the credentials and i can help you find the hu version

[AzzaF30]

thats the issue its a friends car, so doing it will be in a place with no internet access. so just trying to find out what i need to check for in ESYS.

Appreciate the help

[atzebmw]

Originally Posted by AzzaF30

just coming back to this, pulled the HU after reading you can check HW versions on the label(attached) now the only thing i can see is HW 004.003.003?

Most places say it should have a serial number and a HW version of 4.3.

Any insight would be appreaciated.

Cheers

Nice.
I think we all thought you or your friend has a Navi Professional Evo.
But your picture shows a Navi Business (Headunit Basic Navigation).
If there is anything like ID5 / ID6 at Navi Business, I don't know if you can flash it.

[AzzaF30]

yeah you can definitely get business nav with ID6 as i have it in my car although mine is a december 17 car so came with it pre-installed.

[Laurens0619]

Agree with above, also thought he had professional. Within business nav id4 does not exist, see also below

https://www.bimmer-tech.net/blog/ite...bmw-navigation

Types of Head Units
When it comes to head units in general, they can be divided into 3 categories:

- BMW Live Cockpit Professional (the newest MGU head unit with ID7 interface)
- Navigation System Professional (CCC, CIC, NBT, NBT EVO ID4/ID5/ID6)
- Navigation / Navigation Plus / Business Navigation (MASK, CHAMP, CHAMP2, CIC-MID, ENTRY, ENTRYNAV, ENTRYNAV EVO)

Entrynav evo is equiped with carplay but is only available from cars man from 03-2017
So your question would be, can i upgrade entrynav to entrynav evo. Yes but
You need to replace all hardware, no software upgrade possible
I would buy a mmi

[AzzaF30]

so from that he has entrynav, with the ID4 interface as attached.

does entry nav not have an ID5/6 interface available for it?

[atzebmw]

Originally Posted by AzzaF30

so from that he has entrynav, with the ID4 interface as attached.

does entry nav not have an ID5/6 interface available for it?

Not by Software.

[AzzaF30]

Ok thats fair enough then looks like we will just upgrade the screen to the 8.8 inch or possibly android.

Appreciate the help all

[RokasLTU]

Originally Posted by atzebmw

The ID4 was available with 2GB RAM, but also some models with 4GB RAM (I would have to do some research how to find out).
You can flash an ID4 to ID5 / 6. It works better with 4GB RAM. Crashes are common with 2GB of RAM.

How to know which one do I have? Is there written 4GB/2GB somewhere on the unit?

[atzebmw]

Originally Posted by RokasLTU

How to know which one do I have? Is there written 4GB/2GB somewhere on the unit?

I am no longer sure whether my statement is true.
I think I read that somewhere and somewhen.
But I can't find the thread anymore and have never read about it again.
In any case, you will not find the specification of the 2 or 4GB on the device.
I only recently read that software 18-03 should still be the most stable if you want to flash from ID4 to ID5 / 6.

https://cartechnology.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=79458

[ernie334]

Can i upgrade my ntb evo E to ID6?

If so, besides enet and esys, where can i find more info? Thanks

[Wibbles]

Originally Posted by ernie334

Can i upgrade my ntb evo E to ID6?

If so, besides enet and esys, where can i find more info? Thanks

You can upgrade to ID5 firmware but it will not be a nice experience, you will get randomn rebooting due to the ID4 units only having 2GB of ram.

Best solution is to buy a used ID5 unit, flash to 18-03 firmware and activate to your VIN, install and forget - it will work flawlessly.