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      03-28-2019, 09:48 AM   #45
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Imagine if the HK writings on the tweeters start following the ambient light (white/orange), and gives a breathing effect based on bass level, that would be awesome!

I know I am day dreaming though
*laugh* I sniffed around through REALOEM for a bit trying to see if I could find lighted speaker covers etc, but failed. My search fu might have been just weak, not sure. Interesting idea though and LCI style lighting refits like the center console surround are awesome.
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*laugh* I sniffed around through REALOEM for a bit trying to see if I could find lighted speaker covers etc, but failed. My search fu might have been just weak, not sure. Interesting idea though and LCI style lighting refits like the center console surround are awesome.
Retrofitting may actually work in this case. LED frame for speakers signaled by the ambient light, or even integrate it with the sub-woofer. Maybe voltage from the sub wires can signal the pulse? With the ambient light and speaker covers pulsing, that is a moving disco right there. Sounds like a business opportunity

Perhaps someone can chime in, I barely passed physics in HS and college
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The voltage from the sub wires is AC. LEDs work off DC.
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The voltage from the sub wires is AC. LEDs work off DC.
Thank you! I almost turned that disco idea to a firework show
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so, I just tried it and "high_end_audio_menue" is not in the list in 3000 HMI, I scrolled back and forth 5 or 6 times and didn't see it. I did see "L7_surround config" and it was "nicht_aktiv", so I'm gonna look up if I activate that I can still have an uphrade over the HiFi. was worth a shot.
Curious, I guess in my head I thought it made sense that all of the same parameters would be available regardless of speaker/amp option, but good to know. Keep us posted on whether you're able to enable Logic7. Thanks for sharing.
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Just tried it with the Hi-fi system -- didn't work. The parameters were there, and I set them, and they appeared in the stereo after the coding was done. However, I was not able to select "expanded" -- nothing happened. Also, no equalizer, anywhere.

MOST DISAPPOINTINGLY, Bimmercode wiped out my 8 shortcuts -- fucking dicks.

I restored the backup, which undid the "bang and olufsen" options -- but my presets are still all unassigned. This was my first experience with Bimmercode; NOT pleasant so far. Who QAed this thing? Apparently it is tested "in production". Lame.

I had to restore my other audio settings as well -- all wiped out. I didn't go into other settings in the head unit, so not sure if everything has been reset, or not.
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Just tried it with the Hi-fi system -- didn't work. The parameters were there, and I set them, and they appeared in the stereo after the coding was done. However, I was not able to select "expanded" -- nothing happened. Also, no equalizer, anywhere.

MOST DISAPPOINTINGLY, Bimmercode wiped out my 8 shortcuts -- fucking dicks.

I restored the backup, which undid the "bang and olufsen" options -- but my presets are still all unassigned. This was my first experience with Bimmercode; NOT pleasant so far. Who QAed this thing? Apparently it is tested "in production". Lame.

I had to restore my other audio settings as well -- all wiped out. I didn't go into other settings in the head unit, so not sure if everything has been reset, or not.
Technically the infotainment re-flashed, this is more of a hardware issue than software. Sorry you have to go through the settings again
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Curious: How would it not be a Bimmercode oversight?

They should read the parameters and values of my existing audio settings and re-write them back to the headunit, during the flash.

Right?

Or, are you saying losing settings is expected behavior when coding?

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I am thinking profile and system configuration are two different things? Bimmercode seems to work on system configurations but never involve any profile setting.

I also notice my side mirrors' position always change (or reset) every time I code the front electronic module. Every time it applies the codes it just wipe the profile setting, which is similar to flashing other electronics (smartphones especially). I haven't flash roms on android lately so I can be wrong on this.

Can Bimmercode do a better job? Definitely. Is it technologically possible? Maybe, only if those data are accessible. But to be honest, for $35 dollars Bimmercode does what it is advertised to do, unlocking "hidden" features.
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If they just made expected behavior clear, in their app, users would know what to..... expect.
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What app are you coding with in screenshots?
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What app are you coding with in screenshots?
Bimmercode, available for iOS and Android
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What app are you coding with in screenshots?
Bimmercode, available for iPhone and Android
Thanks. looks much simpler than coding I did way back when on my E92.
Recently got an F36.
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Thanks. looks much simpler than coding I did way back when on my E92.
Recently got an F36.
It is straight forward and able to do most of the coding, but it does not perform some advance codings or save any profile setting like natesi mentioned earlier.

Congrats on the F36! Too bad I won't be in Dallas until next year (or some time this year for business), or else I would be more than happy to code it for you.
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Just tried it with the Hi-fi system -- didn't work. The parameters were there, and I set them, and they appeared in the stereo after the coding was done. However, I was not able to select "expanded" -- nothing happened. Also, no equalizer, anywhere.

MOST DISAPPOINTINGLY, Bimmercode wiped out my 8 shortcuts -- fucking dicks.

I restored the backup, which undid the "bang and olufsen" options -- but my presets are still all unassigned. This was my first experience with Bimmercode; NOT pleasant so far. Who QAed this thing? Apparently it is tested "in production". Lame.

I had to restore my other audio settings as well -- all wiped out. I didn't go into other settings in the head unit, so not sure if everything has been reset, or not.
how ever you code hu nbt/evo head unit, you always have to do the button shortcuts, as the setting are not permanent stored to the head unit.
Even it you disconnected the battery, shortcuts setting for buttons will be need doing again.
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I had to restore my other audio settings as well -- all wiped out. I didn't go into other settings in the head unit, so not sure if everything has been reset, or not.
That's not a Bimmercode problem. One of the first items I coded with E-Sys was removal of the on-screen disclaimer messages. When I did it wiped my audio settings.
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Thanks for explaining guys; much appreciated.
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Anyone come up with "ideal" EQ settings when flipping to the B&O side of the house? The difference is significantly positive for me, with the bimmertech A1 speakers, and (previous owner) a pretty significant alpine amp in the trunk.

With the reset of everything, EQ is flat down the middle and didn't know if there were +- suggestions for idea setup?
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I am using the stock HK speakers, but my current curve is:

100Hz = 0
200Hz = -6
500Hz = -2
1kHz = -1
2kHz = 0
5kHz = +1
10kHz = +2

Treble = +1
Bass = 0

It is a work in progress, but sounds just so much better than my old settings on L7.

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The coding of the B&O(6F2A) or B&W(6F1A) means sending a digital profile to the HK(688) via MOST. The profile changes the sound parameters in the OEM amp, from default HK/ProLogic II, to the Bowers and Wilkins parameters or to Bang & Olufsen parameters.

- the F3x has no Bang and Olufsen OEM amp as factory installed in any model whatsoever. Which means that whatever coding to B&O is done to the HK(688) is not designed to support it. That somehow works only means that the HK(688) OEM amp software is common among MOST OEM amp. The B&O OEM amp has discrete front tweeter channels, different center speaker configuration, different speakers, several sound profile selections and about double the power output of the HK(688).

- the Bowers and Wilkins system hardware and specs are unknown as it was never implemented in any 3-Series. Only the OEM amp is listed in the ETK without any P/N.

- changing the parameters makes the sound different, not optimal to the HK OEM speakers.
- this coding is only applicable to MOST OEM amps. HiFi(676) or HK(674) are not MOST.
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The coding of the B&O(6F2A) or B&W(6F1A) means sending a digital profile to the HK(688) via MOST. The profile changes the sound parameters in the OEM amp, from default HK/ProLogic II, to the Bowers and Wilkins parameters or to Bang & Olufsen parameters.

- the F3x has no Bang and Olufsen OEM amp as factory installed in any model whatsoever. Which means that whatever coding to B&O is done to the HK(688) is not designed to support it. That somehow works only means that the HK(688) OEM amp software is common among MOST OEM amp. The B&O OEM amp has discrete front tweeter channels, different center speaker configuration, different speakers, several sound profile selections and about double the power output of the HK(688).

- the Bowers and Wilkins system hardware and specs are unknown as it was never implemented in any 3-Series. Only the OEM amp is listed in the ETK without any P/N.

- changing the parameters makes the sound different, not optimal to the HK OEM speakers.
- this coding is only applicable to MOST OEM amps. HiFi(676) or HK(674) are not MOST.

Encanto -- You seem particularly knowledgeable regarding amps. Q for you: Do you know if it is possible to get the equalizer working with the hi-fi (676) system? I've searched high and low, but can't seem to find a satisfactory answer on this, except people saying, "no" -- with no real reason or explanation.

Thanks,
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Encanto -- You seem particularly knowledgeable regarding amps. Q for you: Do you know if it is possible to get the equalizer working with the hi-fi (676) system? I've searched high and low, but can't seem to find a satisfactory answer on this, except people saying, "no" -- with no real reason or explanation.

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The 7-band EQ is a function of the MOST OEM amp, not of the NBT HU. Thus no EQ function in any analog OEM amps.
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