[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by blue dragon

So, buy tire from Europe, get a non repairable flat and cannot find a local replacement. Is that you you are suggesting the OP do?

That's certainly what IK6SPEED is proposing - stupid idea, but it's not going to happen in MY AMERICA!

[Blubaron79]

I just drove them on the Michelin driving experience at Oktoberfest. As hard as I could get them to break loose in a new M3, even on wet pavement; I could not. They are AWESOME.

[FaRKle!]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

I just drove them on the Michelin driving experience at Oktoberfest. As hard as I could get them to break loose in a new M3, even on wet pavement; I could not. They are AWESOME.

Did you have all the nannies off? If not, they'll cut power to prevent the tires from breaking loose.

At the 2-day M-School I did, I found it VERY easy to break the tires loose on the M3 with Conti ECS tires in the dry with all the nannies off. The 4S isn't dramatically gripper than the ECS.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by FaRKle!

Did you have all the nannies off? If not, they'll cut power to prevent the tires from breaking loose.

At the 2-day M-School I did, I found it VERY easy to break the tires loose on the M3 with Conti ECS tires in the dry with all the nannies off. The 4S isn't dramatically gripper than the ECS.

I cannot remember, but I pushed it as hard as I could on the short course.

Edit: We drove them back to Back with their all season tire, and we could break those loose.

[blckz06]

Originally Posted by BMWILUVU

I have mixed feelings about my PS4S. You will lose road feel and the crispness. PS4S grips the road, is more durable, corners and communicates better but get ready for a much bouncier ride. Because of this, I am in the market for coilovers and sways.

Yeah, this is what I was afraid of (re road feel & crispness). I guess there is no way around it, when going to a non-RFT tire.

[Cyanfall]

Originally Posted by blue dragon

So, buy tire from Europe, get a non repairable flat and cannot find a local replacement. Is that you you are suggesting the OP do?

So the conclusion of this threads is that Cont might be a really nice tire, but nonetheless, America sucks.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

Lol...all this for a tire...that no one will ever use to its full potention��

Not everyone just drives to and from work. Some people actually do push their cars. I only drive my F80 on the weekends.

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

I cannot remember, but I pushed it as hard as I could on the short course.

Edit: We drove them back to Back with their all season tire, and we could break those loose.

You are not allowed to turn of DSC on the short course during the M School unless you are on the drift pad. Nevertheless, DSC can't help you when you're just too hot into a corner. You can easily break any tire loose with directional change and excessive speed. You probably just weren't going fast enough to break the Michelins loose. I was able to mistake my way into breaking the Continental Extreme Sports loose numerous times at Thermal. I've broken my MPS4S loose in my F80 as well. Both tires are extremely good, but with the more attractive price point on the Continentals, I'm going to try those next.

[MacklinUSOB]

Originally Posted by jmg

Not everyone just drives to and from work. Some people actually do push their cars. I only drive my F80 on the weekends.

You are not allowed to turn of DSC on the short course during the M School unless you are on the drift pad. Nevertheless, DSC can't help you when you're just too hot into a corner. You can easily break any tire loose with directional change and excessive speed. You probably just weren't going fast enough to break the Michelins loose. I was able to mistake my way into breaking the Continental Extreme Sports loose numerous times at Thermal. I've broken my MPS4S loose in my F80 as well. Both tires are extremely good, but with the more attractive price point on the Continentals, I'm going to try those next.

The PS4S are very good, but no tire has the magic of perfect adhesion. They all let slip at some point, even in a 28i (245 section).

But like you, I push mine as well. Price point on the Michelins is squarely why I'd try another tire, may it actually be better or not? It's probably *worth* a try.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by jmg

Not everyone just drives to and from work. Some people actually do push their cars. I only drive my F80 on the weekends.



You are not allowed to turn of DSC on the short course during the M School unless you are on the drift pad. Nevertheless, DSC can't help you when you're just too hot into a corner. You can easily break any tire loose with directional change and excessive speed. You probably just weren't going fast enough to break the Michelins loose. I was able to mistake my way into breaking the Continental Extreme Sports loose numerous times at Thermal. I've broken my MPS4S loose in my F80 as well. Both tires are extremely good, but with the more attractive price point on the Continentals, I'm going to try those next.

+1. You should be able to break the PS4S or any tire loose in the wet with DSC off based on skidpad experience.


I'm thinking about purchasing a C7 Corvette Grand Sport in a few years and I would consider putting the Continental ExtremeContact Sport tires on it mainly because it would be a fair weather/weekend/track vehicle and would not be driving in low temperatures/winters. Michelins in those sizes will be pretty pricey.

If Continental decides to actually mass produce the SC6 tire and make it actually available, I would give that a try. But as it stands, it remains a fairy tale tire only available in 5 sizes and 19" configuration.

[BMWILUVU]

Originally Posted by blckz06

Yeah, this is what I was afraid of (re road feel & crispness). I guess there is no way around it, when going to a non-RFT tire.

Yes I think part of the 340's solid road feel was partly because of the RFTs. The suspension setup may have been tuned for them. This is why I am looking at adjustments.

[kyle7f32]

Expensive but they're the best you can get in terms of performance and wear and tear

[FaRKle!]

Originally Posted by jmg

You are not allowed to turn of DSC on the short course during the M School unless you are on the drift pad.

Rat race you disable DSC too. That's where you really learn how careful you need to be with the throttle on an F80... and also what snap oversteer feels like.

Originally Posted by jmg

I was able to mistake my way into breaking the Continental Extreme Sports loose numerous times at Thermal. I've broken my MPS4S loose in my F80 as well. Both tires are extremely good, but with the more attractive price point on the Continentals, I'm going to try those next.

Originally Posted by Polo08816

I'm thinking about purchasing a C7 Corvette Grand Sport in a few years and I would consider putting the Continental ExtremeContact Sport tires on it mainly because it would be a fair weather/weekend/track vehicle and would not be driving in low temperatures/winters.

I have the ECS now. Sidewall is soft (like all Contis). I completely killed the shoulders after two days at Laguna Seca. I don't think I'm likely to get these tires again (unless I really need a cheaper tire).

[jmg]

Originally Posted by FaRKle!

Rat race you disable DSC too.

I have the ECS now. Sidewall is soft (like all Contis). I completely killed the shoulders after two days at Laguna Seca. I don't think I'm likely to get these tires again (unless I really need a cheaper tire).

Rat race was on the drift pad, so DSC was off.

Hmmm... interesting feedback on the ESCs. Maybe they don't mind them so much at M school since I think they get replaced after the 2 Day course.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

So if you get into an accident within the USA and the tires might be part of the situation.... you're SOL with insurance.... or just sue the company that mounted the tires... unless they smartly had you sign a waiver about it being illegal to use non-DOT approved tires on public roadways.

Look, i could care less about the argument going on here, yet DOT approval is a real factor that could have serious consequences. Now if this is ONLY for track use, then slicks would be a far better option in the dry to maximize grip potential.

Try rereading.

I stated they ARE DOT approved.

Or are you just posting #FAKENEWS like the others now?

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by blue dragon

So, buy tire from Europe, get a non repairable flat and cannot find a local replacement. Is that you you are suggesting the OP do?

Originally Posted by Polo08816

That's certainly what IK6SPEED is proposing - stupid idea, but it's not going to happen in MY AMERICA!

As I stated (and shown via tracking info) I can get a tire from Europe as fast (and much cheaper) than I can get a tire from TireRack.com

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

Try rereading.
I stated they ARE DOT approved.
Or are you just posting #FAKENEWS like the others now?

Ugh, see, that's what i get for stepping in poo and come away all dirty. Saw they were NOT DOT, guess i read wrong. So indeed sh* happens.

Am surprised how personal people are being about this, quite frankly. It's just tires guys.

Are we looking to shave 0.050 seconds off of lap times?

[FaRKle!]

Originally Posted by jmg

Rat race was on the drift pad, so DSC was off.

Hmmm... interesting feedback on the ESCs. Maybe they don't mind them so much at M school since I think they get replaced after the 2 Day course.

By "drift pad" are you referring to the large rectangular parking lot adjacent to the AutoX/small course (that's where the rat race was)? I haven't heard that referred to as the drift pad before, just driving pad. If that's the case, well we also had DSC all the way off on the skid pad too (circular wet concrete section where you're taught how to drift).

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

As I stated (and shown via tracking info) I can get a tire from Europe as fast (and much cheaper) than I can get a tire from TireRack.com

We buy American as much as possible here. Stop peddling that foreign garbage. Not in my America.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by FaRKle!

By "drift pad" are you referring to the large rectangular parking lot adjacent to the AutoX/small course (that's where the rat race was)? I haven't heard that referred to as the drift pad before, just driving pad. If that's the case, well we also had DSC all the way off on the skid pad too (circular wet concrete section where you're taught how to drift).

At Thermal, the drift pad is the circular wet concrete section. We did the rat race there on the 2 Day M School with DSC off and the pad was wet for more sliding. Sounds like there is more than one type of Rat Race.

[JamesWWIII]

Originally Posted by jmg

At Thermal, the drift pad is the circular wet concrete section. We did the rat race there on the 2 Day M School with DSC off and the pad was wet for more sliding. Sounds like there is more than one type of Rat Race.

At Greer, they do the Rat Race in a small parking lot that allows the track to be a short oval instead of a circle. DSC is off for this event, and the fact that there are little straights make it more tempting to get on the throttle heading into the turns at either end, especially when you are running behind your opponent.

[Gen13 F36]

Originally Posted by jmg

Not everyone just drives to and from work. Some people actually do push their cars. I only drive my F80 on the weekends.

What you DD?

[jmg]

[QUOTE=Gen13 F36;23467523]

Originally Posted by jmg

Not everyone just drives to and from work. Some people actually do push their cars. I only drive my F80 on the weekends.


What you DD?

i3 REx.