M Performance Power Kit

Lagemba · 09-11-2018, 04:38 PM

So I'm looking to get this package fitted onto my 420d and I'm wondering how worth it this is.

Has anyone got this pack who can give their input? They're asking for £1.6 which is pretty pricey. Any significant gains? They told me I should get a 15bhp and 20 torque increase which is pretty small considering the price & amount of kit they add.

Let me know what your thoughts are.

SkyJawa · 09-11-2018, 04:57 PM

Get a remap elsewhere for much more power for much less money.

Archer-s · 09-12-2018, 12:57 AM

I have had it done, it’s feels as subtle as the numbers suggest, I would say put in more money and upgrade to a 430d, I know it’s a bigger cost but it will ultimately be worth more at sale time

Also 1.6k seems steep, shop around, maybe try Cotswold BMW

JustChris · 09-12-2018, 01:20 AM

I'd get it done for one pound sixty, bargain

Hard to syay how much you would use it, the extra Nm would be welcomed. A good way sometimes to see how much you would use more power/a tune.

Stick the Sports Dials on.....how often are you maxed out at the top power and torque reading...? If its not very often then you wont benefit from this very often. I do think the Torque could be worth it as stating the obvious in the 20D this is what's reached first in the Rev Range and more often than Peak Power. See if you can source cheaper elsewhere....or even wait another 4-6 months till the full G20 release....all of a sudden the M Performance Kit is priced for last gen.

Good luck!

TheRealCCR · 09-12-2018, 02:09 AM

As others have suggested finding a cheaper map elsewhere, giving greater improvements I can recommend Celtic Tuning. I know there are many from which to choose, but they did a great job on my 435d and looking at their estimates online they can get much more than 15bhp and 20 torque from your 20d.

https://www.celtictuning.co.uk/servi...e-1#t3-content

Cost was somewhere in the region of £350 to £400 from memory and they came to the house to do it. I appreciate that many would prefer to take it to a rolling road and have a custom map but for the price the results are very pleasing!

Lagemba · 09-12-2018, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRealCCR

As others have suggested finding a cheaper map elsewhere, giving greater improvements I can recommend Celtic Tuning. I know there are many from which to choose, but they did a great job on my 435d and looking at their estimates online they can get much more than 15bhp and 20 torque from your 20d.

https://www.celtictuning.co.uk/servi...e-1#t3-content

Cost was somewhere in the region of £350 to £400 from memory and they came to the house to do it. I appreciate that many would prefer to take it to a rolling road and have a custom map but for the price the results are very pleasing!

Thanks for the suggestion man, looks good. I've been debating whether I should get this kit before remapping for a while as a remap has always been on my to-do list... Just trying to see if maybe it's worth getting this kit beforehand. Will try look at a few other places to see if they've got better prices.

Also, I was thinking of going to Evolve automotive for a remap as I heard they're quite prestigious when it comes to remapping but I've never been myself. What do you think?

Cheers

SkyJawa · 09-12-2018, 03:28 AM

Evolve are also a good name. As per Real I have a Celtic Tuning on my 335d and boy did it make a MASSIVE difference, also been through the new strict MOT since fine.

I wouldn't bother with the expense of the BMW kit it will make little difference to the result on a later remap. Save your cash, MPPK only made sense years ago when there was few other options and retained warranty.

Archer-s · 09-12-2018, 04:09 AM

The MPPK has a bigger intercooler, I have been told this is the one from the 330d, could be an cheap upgrade to help with any remap

Lagemba · 09-12-2018, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mssond

The MPPK has a bigger intercooler, I have been told this is the one from the 330d, could be an cheap upgrade to help with any remap

Yeah that's why I'm considering this package. If I had to get the MPPK and a remap on top of that I'm assuming the power will be quite nice, but still that price is quite steep considering the gains I'll get afterwards. Need to look for cheaper deals for this kit and if I can't find one I'll go for a remap.

Watsey · 09-12-2018, 04:40 AM

IMO, having had the MPPK for my 30d, I would definitely go for a custom remap. The MPPK gives very conservative gains and is very expensive for what you get. I ended up not paying for the MPPK on my car as the gains were so poor and then went down the remap route (DMS).

OK it gives a bigger intercooler, but it's only from the model above. 20d gets the 30d IC, 30d gets the 35d IC . I'll sell you the one from my 30d if that helps you get the charge cooling required for a decent remap. MPPK, on the 30d anyway, also provides a brand new ECU which has to be coded into the car. There's no need for a new ECU, so now I've got a spare one of those too !

Depending on the model and specification, the MPPK includes a front brake upgrade (if your car doesn't have M Sport brakes, ie blue brake calipers). Make sure you are comparing like for like when considering options - greater performance with standard brakes may not be ideal.

Plenty of good custom remap options out there : DMS, Evolve, Unicorn, etc.

SkyJawa · 09-12-2018, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by michaelcami

Yeah that's why I'm considering this package. If I had to get the MPPK and a remap on top of that I'm assuming the power will be quite nice, but still that price is quite steep considering the gains I'll get afterwards. Need to look for cheaper deals for this kit and if I can't find one I'll go for a remap.

You could buy that for way less that 1.5k. My old 330d IC went for 40 quid.

Sorry but the MPPK no longer makes monetary sense for what you get.

Lagemba · 09-12-2018, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

You could buy that for way less that 1.5k. My old 330d IC went for 40 quid.

Sorry but the MPPK no longer makes monetary sense for what you get.

Cool, that's why I'm here asking. What would you recommend for me to do to get a bit more power before doing the remap without spending an arm and a leg? Maybe a bigger IC?

SkyJawa · 09-12-2018, 06:15 AM

Its up to you, most people said the change of the IC was total overkill on the MPPK, really only get the benefit if you track a lot. Its up to you on that, most people don't bother as its not really needed. You aren't really going to make very much difference if any to end power if you fit one and remap IMHO.

I also found if you tell insurers you have changed the IC (which you really should) premium rockets or they won't touch you.

Personally I'd simply go with the remap and spend the cash on other bits

Lagemba · 09-12-2018, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Its up to you, most people said the change of the IC was total overkill on the MPPK, really only get the benefit if you track a lot. Its up to you on that, most people don't bother as its not really needed. You aren't really going to make very much difference if any to end power if you fit one and remap IMHO.

I also found if you tell insurers you have changed the IC (which you really should) premium rockets or they won't touch you.

Personally I'd simply go with the remap and spend the cash on other bits

What other bits? If you don't mind me asking

SkyJawa · 09-12-2018, 10:38 AM

M Performance bits, grills, splitter, spoiler, sills etc

Lagemba · 09-12-2018, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

M Performance bits, grills, splitter, spoiler, sills etc

Ah I've got all that! Thanks all the same tho. Was hoping you'd suggest other parts to tune the car

dizzy619 · 09-12-2018, 12:00 PM

Just give Simon from emaps a call... Then spend your 1k that's left on something else.. Job done

Steveo.G · 09-12-2018, 12:25 PM

Dpf removal!

Lagemba · 09-12-2018, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Steveo.G

Dpf removal!

TonyBuon · 09-13-2018, 07:31 AM

I had the MPPK on my 330d, subtle but better and comfort is now decent. I primarily did this rather than remap as I wanted to maintain BMW Extended Warranty - which they honoured as it was fitted by BMW. I only paid 1k though on a black friday deal.

Oh and as previous poster - I have the spare 330d intercooler if you want to buy? Had covered about 15k before I swapped it.

TheRealCCR · 09-13-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Its up to you, most people said the change of the IC was total overkill on the MPPK, really only get the benefit if you track a lot. Its up to you on that, most people don't bother as its not really needed. You aren't really going to make very much difference if any to end power if you fit one and remap IMHO.

I also found if you tell insurers you have changed the IC (which you really should) premium rockets or they won't touch you.

Personally I'd simply go with the remap and spend the cash on other bits

One of the points Celtic were keen to make is that their Stage 1 is designed to be used with standard components i.e. no need to be replacing bits and pieces. I declared the map to my insurers and the premium increased by around 21%. Luckily it was only £700 to begin with, so I was happy to pay the extra £150 to keep everything above board.

I'd definitely agree with the poster who suggested that a remap on standard brakes might be a bad call... It's all well and good getting it to 60 at an enthusiastic pace, but you want to balance that with good braking capability too!

Lagemba · 09-14-2018, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyBuon

I had the MPPK on my 330d, subtle but better and comfort is now decent. I primarily did this rather than remap as I wanted to maintain BMW Extended Warranty - which they honoured as it was fitted by BMW. I only paid 1k though on a black friday deal.

Oh and as previous poster - I have the spare 330d intercooler if you want to buy? Had covered about 15k before I swapped it.

How much for that 330d intercooler?

Also yeah, if I'm going to map for power I also want the stopping power

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Lagemba Lieutenant Colonel 28 Rep 147 Posts Drives: F32 420d 2015 M Performance Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: London iTrader: (0)	M Performance Power Kit So I'm looking to get this package fitted onto my 420d and I'm wondering how worth it this is. Has anyone got this pack who can give their input? They're asking for £1.6 which is pretty pricey. Any significant gains? They told me I should get a 15bhp and 20 torque increase which is pretty small considering the price & amount of kit they add. Let me know what your thoughts are.
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SkyJawa Major General 3716 Rep 8,636 Posts Drives: F10 530d Join Date: May 2014 Location: Hampshire iTrader: (1)	Get a remap elsewhere for much more power for much less money.
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Archer-s Captain 247 Rep 805 Posts Drives: on order Join Date: May 2010 Location: Brizzle iTrader: (0)	I have had it done, it’s feels as subtle as the numbers suggest, I would say put in more money and upgrade to a 430d, I know it’s a bigger cost but it will ultimately be worth more at sale time Also 1.6k seems steep, shop around, maybe try Cotswold BMW
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JustChris General 17486 Rep 25,112 Posts Drives: Tesla MYRWD Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	I'd get it done for one pound sixty, bargain Hard to syay how much you would use it, the extra Nm would be welcomed. A good way sometimes to see how much you would use more power/a tune. Stick the Sports Dials on.....how often are you maxed out at the top power and torque reading...? If its not very often then you wont benefit from this very often. I do think the Torque could be worth it as stating the obvious in the 20D this is what's reached first in the Rev Range and more often than Peak Power. See if you can source cheaper elsewhere....or even wait another 4-6 months till the full G20 release....all of a sudden the M Performance Kit is priced for last gen. Good luck! __________________ My car made front page of Bimmerpost
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TheRealCCR Enlisted Member 12 Rep 31 Posts Drives: 2018 435d xDrive M Sport+ Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Formby, Merseyside iTrader: (0)	As others have suggested finding a cheaper map elsewhere, giving greater improvements I can recommend Celtic Tuning. I know there are many from which to choose, but they did a great job on my 435d and looking at their estimates online they can get much more than 15bhp and 20 torque from your 20d. https://www.celtictuning.co.uk/servi...e-1#t3-content Cost was somewhere in the region of £350 to £400 from memory and they came to the house to do it. I appreciate that many would prefer to take it to a rolling road and have a custom map but for the price the results are very pleasing! __________________ CCR Current: 2018 435d M Sport+ in MG (lightly mapped!) Previous: E92 330d Coupe, E46 320d Coupe
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SkyJawa Major General 3716 Rep 8,636 Posts Drives: F10 530d Join Date: May 2014 Location: Hampshire iTrader: (1)	Evolve are also a good name. As per Real I have a Celtic Tuning on my 335d and boy did it make a MASSIVE difference, also been through the new strict MOT since fine. I wouldn't bother with the expense of the BMW kit it will make little difference to the result on a later remap. Save your cash, MPPK only made sense years ago when there was few other options and retained warranty.
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Archer-s Captain 247 Rep 805 Posts Drives: on order Join Date: May 2010 Location: Brizzle iTrader: (0)	The MPPK has a bigger intercooler, I have been told this is the one from the 330d, could be an cheap upgrade to help with any remap
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Watsey Major General 6404 Rep 8,492 Posts Drives: F31 330D sDrive M Sport Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: On sabbatical. iTrader: (1)	IMO, having had the MPPK for my 30d, I would definitely go for a custom remap. The MPPK gives very conservative gains and is very expensive for what you get. I ended up not paying for the MPPK on my car as the gains were so poor and then went down the remap route (DMS). OK it gives a bigger intercooler, but it's only from the model above. 20d gets the 30d IC, 30d gets the 35d IC . I'll sell you the one from my 30d if that helps you get the charge cooling required for a decent remap. MPPK, on the 30d anyway, also provides a brand new ECU which has to be coded into the car. There's no need for a new ECU, so now I've got a spare one of those too ! Depending on the model and specification, the MPPK includes a front brake upgrade (if your car doesn't have M Sport brakes, ie blue brake calipers). Make sure you are comparing like for like when considering options - greater performance with standard brakes may not be ideal. Plenty of good custom remap options out there : DMS, Evolve, Unicorn, etc. __________________ Current : F31 330sD, remapped, Ohlins Road & Track, Millway camber plates, Quaife LSD, Stoptech brakes + Pagid RSL1 pads all round, Weichers front strut brace, Eibach front & rear anti-roll bars, Michelin MP4S.
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SkyJawa Major General 3716 Rep 8,636 Posts Drives: F10 530d Join Date: May 2014 Location: Hampshire iTrader: (1)	Its up to you, most people said the change of the IC was total overkill on the MPPK, really only get the benefit if you track a lot. Its up to you on that, most people don't bother as its not really needed. You aren't really going to make very much difference if any to end power if you fit one and remap IMHO. I also found if you tell insurers you have changed the IC (which you really should) premium rockets or they won't touch you. Personally I'd simply go with the remap and spend the cash on other bits
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