[xnick101]

As the title says is anyone using the Spool Performance Wireless Ethanol Analyzer Kit? Looking to run this so I can get my E30 mixture right without having to measure a bunch of shit every time I want to run e85. http://spoolperformance.us/index.php...&product_id=81

I know Fuel-It also makes a version of this but its $485.

[thejeremyman9]

Nice find. Also interested if anyone is running this as i would consider.

[xnick101]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

Nice find. Also interested if anyone is running this as i would consider.

I watched a guy install one on his 340i on youtube and it was super easy. A bit more involved on the 335i since the HPFP is under the intake manifold. But nonetheless, 1.5-2 hours of work and you can see your tank's ethanol content on your phone. Funny enough if someone were to get the long version that goes to the tank, you can use this with a splitter to run PI also.

[xnick101]

Bump. Really no is running this? That's pretty crazy.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by xnick101

Bump. Really no is running this? That's pretty crazy.

I am pretty sure that 99% of people are just guesstimating their ethanol content by making assumptions on the E% coming out of the pump, and/or using the small little test kits to intermittently test the E85 and determine mix ratio from there. Not the most accurate method but you can at least use datalogs to see if your timing is OK. I think i have literally only seen 1 person say they used an ethanol analyzer before on these forums over the past 1-2 years.

Most people dont want to spend money on something unless it increases HP or makes noise, lol.

[Munchi435i]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

I am pretty sure that 99% of people are just guesstimating their ethanol content by making assumptions on the E% coming out of the pump, and/or using the small little test kits to intermittently test the E85 and determine mix ratio from there. Not the most accurate method but you can at least use datalogs to see if your timing is OK. I think i have literally only seen 1 person say they used an ethanol analyzer before on these forums over the past 1-2 years.

Most people dont want to spend money on something unless it increases HP or makes noise, lol.

LOL

I am one of those that guesstimates to achieve E30 but after every refill I will always do some logs to confirm timing!

Would be nice to have an ethanol analyzer BUT its not adding any power or noise LOL!!

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by Munchi435i

LOL

I am one of those that guesstimates to achieve E30 but after every refill I will always do some logs to confirm timing!

Would be nice to have an ethanol analyzer BUT its not adding any power or noise LOL!!

Yeah, TBH me too. I just took Pearson Fuel's word for it that their E85 in CA is 83.3% - they have a press release somewhere about it. Apparently if its less they have to pay more taxes or something. I think this was also posted on F80 forums.

I calculate my mix using 3 calculations:

Assuming 91 is E0 and E85 is 70% --> low end
Assuming 91 is E10 and E85 is 85% --> upper limit
Assuming 91 is E6 (CARB value) and E85 is 83.3% --> what is should be

Since MHD is E20, i calculate mix based on low end being 19% which gives high end 31%, which is right at the limit of HPFP in cold temperatures. Works well for me.

If i got a custom tune i would probably get an ethanol analyzer so i could get tuned at a specific % and always run that %.

[xnick101]

How many gallons of e85 do you pump in to assume E25-E30 ?

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by xnick101

How many gallons of e85 do you pump in to assume E25-E30 ?

See attachment below. Basically set your E-85 to tank capacity minus pump 91 gallons, and then you can either manually adjust your pump 91 gallons to see what your content would be for each low/high/best (E85 gallons automatically adjusts), or, use goal seek function to target a specific % and excel will tell you how much to add. Super basic calc. If you are filling less than a full tank you can just adjust capacity accordingly.

(I was 1% off in my post before, low assumptions give 18% not 19%)

[RSicks]

Originally Posted by xnick101

As the title says is anyone using the Spool Performance Wireless Ethanol Analyzer Kit? Looking to run this so I can get my E30 mixture right without having to measure a bunch of shit every time I want to run e85. http://spoolperformance.us/index.php...&product_id=81

I know Fuel-It also makes a version of this but its $485.

I run the Spool analyzer. Pretty easy to install the short unit. Spool tried to send me the correct long line version a couple times and could never get me the right kit. I ended up chalking it up as a loss.

Stick to the short line honestly, the line to the tank is fine for E85. Save yourself the time and money.

[xnick101]

Originally Posted by RSicks

I run the Spool analyzer. Pretty easy to install the short unit. Spool tried to send me the correct long line version a couple times and could never get me the right kit. I ended up chalking it up as a loss.

Stick to the short line honestly, the line to the tank is fine for E85. Save yourself the time and money.

How do you install? The line goes from hpfp to where?

[itsrichierich]

Originally Posted by RSicks

I run the Spool analyzer. Pretty easy to install the short unit. Spool tried to send me the correct long line version a couple times and could never get me the right kit. I ended up chalking it up as a loss.

Stick to the short line honestly, the line to the tank is fine for E85. Save yourself the time and money.

Did you do the install or have a shop do it?

[FastF30]

Android Playstore has a real nice calculator called E85 Blend... takes in all accounts of what you think is in the tank etc.... but honestly I haven't run E85 yet... I really want to get a tank monitor otherwise I'll probably just run each tank dry before each fill up and use one of those test kits... they're only $14...

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by FastF30

Android Playstore has a real nice calculator called E85 Blend... takes in all accounts of what you think is in the tank etc.... but honestly I haven't run E85 yet... I really want to get a tank monitor otherwise I'll probably just run each tank dry before each fill up and use one of those test kits... they're only $14...

I elaborated more on how to do the mix and which test kit to order in the recent E85 thread, specifically this post.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...91&postcount=8

The analyzer is a nice tool to have, and if you go custom tune, it might be worth the investment so you consistent run what you tuned for.

For the OTS maps, especially MHD E20, measuring E content of your pump and E85 is sufficient, and continuing the mix at each fillup is easy... I am not sure why people think it's such a hassle? (Not calling out you specifically BTW, just in general people say its a hassle to mix)

You dont need to run the tank dry. Just drive until a little less than 1/4 tank remaining and then fill up assuming you are going to add 75% of your tank capacity. The link above shows the table of how to do that. You would just adjust based on your actual E content. The math is extremely basic. I just downloaded the app mentioned and it works fine, it was within about 0.03 gallon of what i showed in my table. The benefit of doing the table yourself is that you can set an upper and lower bound, so you know what your E% in the tank might be if the ethanol content in the pump gas or E85 has changed since you last checked. This will prevent you from overshooting E30 (HPFP crash) or going too low (timing issues).

If your 91 gas quality is terrible like here in California the switch from ACN or 91 map to E map is significant. Its easily 20+ whp and wtq, and that assumes perfect timing on the 91 map. If your 91 map is inconsistent like mine was with pump 91, the gains will be even more substantial.

Sorry, i digress... just get the analyzer if you want to skip the math, and if you install it, post up a review

[xnick101]

Wasn't worth it. I just started eyeballing filling up E30 after using the table a couple times lol. Haven't had any issues so far.

[Bowenpuref3p]

I just picked up the long line analyzer kit for my f30 n55? Im wondering if anyone has installed the same kit on a n55 yet? All instructions are of either e series of b58 I can't find any for the f series n55. I'm sure I can figure it out but I was hoping someone could tell me if I can get to the hpfp hardline without pulling the intake manifold.

[houtan]

Originally Posted by Bowenpuref3p

I just picked up the long line analyzer kit for my f30 n55? Im wondering if anyone has installed the same kit on a n55 yet? All instructions are of either e series of b58 I can't find any for the f series n55. I'm sure I can figure it out but I was hoping someone could tell me if I can get to the hpfp hardline without pulling the intake manifold.

Did you install it? Were you able to access the hpfp line without removing the intake manifold?

[Munchi435i]

There is no way to access this without moving the intake manifold. Im waiting for a black Friday deal and will purchase. I've contacted a few Indy shops and all of them say the manifold needs to be moved or taken off completely.

[Bowenpuref3p]

Originally Posted by houtan

Did you install it? Were you able to access the hpfp line without removing the intake manifold?

Yeah I installed it and removed the intake manifold to do it. I also installed the hpfp to tank fuel line kit as well I was able to feed the braided steel fuel line to the tank by only unstrapping it rather then dropping the entire tank. I have no compaints it works fine and is accurate as I have checked it a few times with a test kit.
I also swapped in a b58 hpfp at the same time since I was in there. as I picked one up super cheap as a temporary option. It was enough of an upgrade to get rid of all pressure dips from running mhd stg2+ e30 tune. Now I'm just waiting on the dorch black friday sale to pick up their stg2 hpfp since I have a ps2 installed as of last week.

[houtan]

thanks for the responses. I was hoping i could get away with just removing the throttle body. My lpfp line is a little further back since i have a PI line installed as well. But i am just being lazy i guess.

Few more questions i was hoping you could answer please.

1. So when you install the sensor, does it just kind of sit there / float under that protective cover? I dont see any screw holes on their sensor.

2. For the connector at the HPFP hard line, was it just a push on connector or the connector that has the little fitting that screws on to the hose?

3. How did you end up wiring up power and ground, the typical way in the DME box?

4. Did you receive any installation instructions?

Thanks again.

[Bowenpuref3p]

Originally Posted by houtan

thanks for the responses. I was hoping i could get away with just removing the throttle body. My lpfp line is a little further back since i have a PI line installed as well. But i am just being lazy i guess.

Few more questions i was hoping you could answer please.

1. So when you install the sensor, does it just kind of sit there / float under that protective cover? I dont see any screw holes on their sensor.

2. For the connector at the HPFP hard line, was it just a push on connector or the connector that has the little fitting that screws on to the hose?

3. How did you end up wiring up power and ground, the typical way in the DME box?

4. Did you receive any installation instructions?

Thanks again.

The sensor it self has 2 holes you can use to mount it somewhere. I personally bolted it to the firewall right behind the intake manifold.

The fitting for the hpfp hardline uses the fitting that pushes on and a has a nut with a slot on it that screws into it to tighten it down .

I wired it up under the passenger side cowl cover the one that had the positive battery jumper terminal. Their is a fuse box over their and it's also where I left the Bluetooth analyzer 3m taped to the brace.

No install instructions and the only video I found was for a b58 which is a much easier install since their hpfp is on top of the engine. Overall it was a pretty easy install the most annoying part was feeding the fuel line up to the top of the fuel tank under the rear seats. But if you get the short fuel line kit you won't need to do that anyways.

[houtan]

Originally Posted by Bowenpuref3p

The sensor it self has 2 holes you can use to mount it somewhere. I personally bolted it to the firewall right behind the intake manifold.

The fitting for the hpfp hardline uses the fitting that pushes on and a has a nut with a slot on it that screws into it to tighten it down .

I wired it up under the passenger side cowl cover the one that had the positive battery jumper terminal. Their is a fuse box over their and it's also where I left the Bluetooth analyzer 3m taped to the brace.

No install instructions and the only video I found was for a b58 which is a much easier install since their hpfp is on top of the engine. Overall it was a pretty easy install the most annoying part was feeding the fuel line up to the top of the fuel tank under the rear seats. But if you get the short fuel line kit you won't need to do that anyways.

Thanks. I have seen the analyzer with the two holes to mount it. However the one that I have from spool matches the one on their site, and it doesn’t have any holes. I guess I will figure it out once I get down there.