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SkyJawa · 11-17-2015, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dazzapb

Yes but its a VAG - you pay for the BMW badge. Same as the golf platform is used in the next model in the VAG range (audi?) and add 10 K

Yeah but my point is I think BMW have got complacent and need to up their game, they are no longer a big cut above in perceived quality next to the up and comers.

Hopefully its a good thing and we get 5er quality in the 3

Thehoss · 11-17-2015, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

23% we got on the Octavia, BMW would be same or less.

Not bad at all

SkyJawa · 11-17-2015, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 73henny

tyre pressure warnings that activated when there was no issue with the pressures for example.
But the main thing was my back

My F31 likes to randomly give me tyre warnings for no reason, its happened twice!

And yes I can imagine that about your back in the VRS. The suspension is awful, way too hard and a big reason why we didn't even consider it.

The L&K has electric memory seat with electric lumbar so hopeful should be fine, especially on the comfier suspension. I will take it up north in the next month or two to compare it......

dazzapb · 11-17-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Yeah but my point is I think BMW have got complacent and need to up their game, they are no longer a big cut above in perceived quality next to the up and comers.

Hopefully its a good thing and we get 5er quality in the 3

True. however with my recent posts about my mums brand new 25k kuga I realised what bad interiors plastics were, I just think the VAG group is a decent standard across the range. (apart from areas away from driver - Tiguan in particular was bad - but so is the E class I could go on

I drove a 320d recently and it was silent - quite a difference to my m-sport but that was due to the 16 inch wheels and large profile I think.

The wind noise could be bettered in the G platform! Competition is a wonderful thing and if some of the quality the new 7 oozes travels to the 3 we will be all winners

SkyJawa · 11-17-2015, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Thehoss

Not bad at all

Must be the emissions scandal

terrycollins999 · 11-17-2015, 11:25 AM

I went the other way... from an Octavia VRS to BMW 335D.. I agree comparing 4 cyclinder works. However the new Octavia VRS 4x4 tdi 180Bhp price tag is way too high, moved me to BMW.

Skoda's are great amazing cars but aren't there to compete with 6 pot BMW.

73henny · 11-17-2015, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

My F31 likes to randomly give me tyre warnings for no reason, its happened twice!

And yes I can imagine that about your back in the VRS. The suspension is awful, way too hard and a big reason why we didn't even consider it.

The L&K has electric memory seat with electric lumbar so hopeful should be fine, especially on the comfier suspension. I will take it up north in the next month or two to compare it......

The vRS has the same suspension as a Golf GTi / GTD. No idea why they thought hot-hatch suspension on a family car was a good idea. It is way too firm.
The L&K wasn't available when I ordered the vRS. Maybe I'd still have an Octavia if it was. I'm sure it'll be a much nicer car to live with. They're good value, no doubt about that.

SkyJawa · 11-17-2015, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dazzapb

True. however with my recent posts about my mums brand new 25k kuga I realised what bad interiors plastics were, I just think the VAG group is a decent standard across the range. (apart from areas away from driver - Tiguan in particular was bad - but so is the E class I could go on

I drove a 320d recently and it was silent - quite a difference but that was due to the 16 inch wheels and large profile I think.

The wind noise could be bettered in the G platform!

Yeah we tested a Tiguan, it felt claustrophobic and interior felt no better than our MK5 golf.

Wind noise is particularly bad and one of the key things they should address.......

Thehoss · 11-17-2015, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Must be the emissions scandal

Lol yeah so what's BMWs excuse!

SkyJawa · 11-17-2015, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by terrycollins999

I went the other way... from an Octavia VRS to BMW 335D.. I agree comparing 4 cyclinder works. However the new Octavia VRS 4x4 tdi 180Bhp price tag is way too high, moved me to BMW.

Skoda's are great amazing cars but aren't there to compete with 6 pot BMW.

In fairness theres not many marques that can compete with the BMW 6cyl engine wise

SkyJawa · 11-17-2015, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Thehoss

Lol yeah so what's BMWs excuse!

[hush] same thing, they've just not told anyone yet

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dazzapb · 11-17-2015, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Yeah we tested a Tiguan, it felt claustrophobic and interior felt no better than our MK5 golf.

Wind noise is particularly bad and one of the key things they should address.......

indeed, I added to my post above if we get a trickle down from the 7 quality (that thing just oozes it) and strong competition we will all be winners.

I need to be thinking soon what to switch to and the whole 335d package is amazing. Probably a X1, Q3 etc for the little one but it will be fun choosing.

Mark1966 · 11-17-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Ours is the 2.0D DSG 150bhp but there are many different combinations across the range.

Your right in the 'VAG problem area' with that engine. You are a brave man, you got a massive discount for a reason, lets just hope someone wants it when you come to sell up!!!

SkyJawa · 11-17-2015, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dazzapb

indeed, I added to my post above if we get a trickle down from the 7 quality (that thing just oozes it) and strong competition we will all be winners.

I need to be thinking soon what to switch to and the whole 335d package is amazing. Probably a X1, Q3 etc for the little one but it will be fun choosing.

totally agree, I must admit the new X1 looks flipping good, we would have considered but it wasn't around at the time and wouldn't touch the old one with someone elses bargepole

Might even go that route myself!

Tom Tallon · 11-17-2015, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Ours is the 2.0D DSG 150bhp but there are many different combinations across the range.

Why am I not surprised by your satisfaction. Skoda are a world away from their old reputation.

I drove a 1.8 tsi previous generation Octavia - an L&K like yours. For those who don't know the L&K is usually top of the range and can be purchased almost without extra ie it had leather seats, metallic paint,xenon head lights included etc etc.

Lots of space for a family, very reliable, comfortable. The 7 speed DSG gearbox failed after 6 months but that was a common problem now solved I believe with different gearbox oil. On smoothness of function, the DSG was the equal of the 3 series auto- it just worked differently.

For a safe reliable family conveyance it can't be beaten and as you say no way is it £15,000 or so inferior to my 335D.

Now why didn't I buy one again. Reasons

On resale it had plummeted in value - there are lots of older Octavias around and they dont have a cache of a marque like BMW.

The chassis and steering are rather unexciting. Not as poised nor sharp as the 335D.

A lot of the engines are perfectly respectable but not powerful like the 3 litre turbodiesel.

So I am saying if you can afford a BMW 3 series and money isn't a consideration you'll get one every time. If you would like to budget for a spacious, unexciting family conveyance you can't go past the Octavia.

SkyJawa · 11-17-2015, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark1966

Your right in the 'VAG problem area' with that engine. You are a brave man, you got a massive discount for a reason, lets just hope someone wants it when you come to sell up!!!

Ours is the EU6 engine anyway, supposedly not effected by the initial news, maybe on the CO2 stuff that followed but nothing confirmed yet.

I'm sure there are many like me who don't give a crap about the scandal (the massive discount was before the scandal too), makes no odds to me to the car I bought, couldn't care less. Wildly inaccurate MPG claims annoy me more.

DazC · 11-17-2015, 12:27 PM

I have a 170bhp 4x4 Yeti L&K.

Its a fantastic car and a consummate all rounder.

The new Superb looks lovely also but can be specced to £35k!

muckypup · 11-17-2015, 12:38 PM

I was considering an Octavia Scout 4x4. When I test drove one I was impressed by the interior space but that was about all. The seats were not that comfortable, and while the dashboard was ok, there were a few places that were not up to standard. What I hated the most was the DSG gearbox. It had an awful delay when setting off. When I priced one up with the same options as the BMW it was nearly 31k which was nearly as much as my F31. It also had a bit of a tweed image to go with it which isn't me.

JustChris · 11-17-2015, 01:29 PM

Hand on heart I can barely think of a fault on 9 beemers. All owned from new mind you and did keep 3 of them 3 years ! Bluetooth is the only challenge throwing a wobbler every now and then and nor connecting.

SkyJawa · 11-17-2015, 01:35 PM

I won't discuss my old Z4 then! (I'd be here all night)

But my old E92 was great.

teaston · 11-17-2015, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Ours is the 2.0D DSG 150bhp but there are many different combinations across the range.

What's the emissions like on it?

JD6 · 11-17-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by teaston

What's the emissions like on it?

The official test figures are unbelievably good

11-17-2015, 11:25 AM	#28
terrycollins999 Private 63 Rep 57 Posts Drives: 2022 BMW M240i Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Guildford iTrader: (0)	I went the other way... from an Octavia VRS to BMW 335D.. I agree comparing 4 cyclinder works. However the new Octavia VRS 4x4 tdi 180Bhp price tag is way too high, moved me to BMW. Skoda's are great amazing cars but aren't there to compete with 6 pot BMW.
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DazC Colonel 905 Rep 2,651 Posts Drives: M4 Comp Pack Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Scotland iTrader: (0) Garage List 2016 M4 Comp Pack [0.00]	I have a 170bhp 4x4 Yeti L&K. Its a fantastic car and a consummate all rounder. The new Superb looks lovely also but can be specced to £35k!
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muckypup First Lieutenant 120 Rep 361 Posts Drives: F31 320d xDrive LCI Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Leighton Buzzard iTrader: (0)	I was considering an Octavia Scout 4x4. When I test drove one I was impressed by the interior space but that was about all. The seats were not that comfortable, and while the dashboard was ok, there were a few places that were not up to standard. What I hated the most was the DSG gearbox. It had an awful delay when setting off. When I priced one up with the same options as the BMW it was nearly 31k which was nearly as much as my F31. It also had a bit of a tweed image to go with it which isn't me. __________________ Drives: VW Tiguan 2.0TSI SEL DSG History: 320d F31 xDrive Sport, Kia Sportage KX-3 SatNav a.k.a The Tractor, Ford S-Max, Mitsubishi Shogun, Mitsubishi Pajero, BMW 2.8 Z3, Mazda 323, Ford Orion, Ford Sierra, Ford Escort, Ford Fiesta
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JustChris General 17488 Rep 25,114 Posts Drives: Tesla MYRWD Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Hand on heart I can barely think of a fault on 9 beemers. All owned from new mind you and did keep 3 of them 3 years ! Bluetooth is the only challenge throwing a wobbler every now and then and nor connecting. __________________ My car made front page of Bimmerpost
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11-17-2015, 01:35 PM	#42
SkyJawa Major General 3719 Rep 8,636 Posts Drives: F10 530d Join Date: May 2014 Location: Hampshire iTrader: (1)	I won't discuss my old Z4 then! (I'd be here all night) But my old E92 was great.
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