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      08-25-2016, 10:06 PM   #1
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Kpeng's $200 eBay Intercooler Experience

EL CHAMO recently posted about an intercooler for our cars that he found on eBay. $196.50 for what appears to be a Wagner replica. I went ahead and bought one and received it in the mail today. It was double packed, lined with foam, and very well packaged. When I opened it up, I was a bit surprised by the quality of it. Many aftermarket parts like these are designed in the US but sent to the same few factories in Taiwan. As a result, some times these factories (and their country's lax patent/copyright laws) will modify the designs slightly and sell it themselves. I have no doubts the seller on eBay (yellowspeed) got ahold of one of these factories and bought some.

Here's a brief video I made showing the intercooler up close. At one point, a ladybug crawled on my arm and scared the shit out of me...please disregard those 2 seconds of minor freakout. Pressure tests will be done soon, I'll report back on those.



Stay tuned...

**UPDATE 9/17/2016**

I can get some more data logs soon with some hard pulls, but this is the full log from a 20 minute drive today in some stop and go traffic, 60 mph cruising, and a couple semi-hard pulls.

Ambient temperature was 92 degrees. For the most part, IATs were around the 100-110 degrees mark. Car felt absolutely great.




Here's a link to the full log:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw_...ew?usp=sharing

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Nice video. LOL I like the ending.."Why the f*ck not".
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Why would you have no doubt that the seller got a few of the originals? Why can't it be a replica of the original? Which would then lead to...why would it be good as the original?

But really, who cares about the above because, at least for me, I only care about what the data says and how it holds up long term.

I hope the datalogs are done soon.
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      08-26-2016, 12:11 AM   #4
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It is the Wagner! I guess I paid an extra $700 for that genuine sticker.

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      08-26-2016, 07:46 AM   #5
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Why would you have no doubt that the seller got a few of the originals? Why can't it be a replica of the original? Which would then lead to...why would it be good as the original?

But really, who cares about the above because, at least for me, I only care about what the data says and how it holds up long term.

I hope the datalogs are done soon.
I mean they got some of the originals to replicate.
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      08-26-2016, 07:47 AM   #6
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It is the Wagner! I guess I paid an extra $700 for that genuine sticker.

That DOES look awfully similar.
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Looks mean nothing. How well does it work? We need logs/data to back it up. If it performs anywhere near as well as a $700 unit then they'll have a line going out the door.
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If it has any defects or fitment problems, what's your recourse? Can you call the vendor up and get a replacement?
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      08-26-2016, 08:39 AM   #9
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Looks mean nothing. How well does it work? We need logs/data to back it up. If it performs anywhere near as well as a $700 unit then they'll have a line going out the door.
This is just a Part I to show what it looks like. I will be conducting tests on it.

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If it has any defects or fitment problems, what's your recourse? Can you call the vendor up and get a replacement?
Sell it? It's cheap enough that I don't care and I'm willing to take one for the team here.
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This is just a Part I to show what it looks like. I will be conducting tests on it.



Sell it? It's cheap enough that I don't care and I'm willing to take one for the team here.
Props to you then. I look forward to your results!
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From the images it doesn't look as nice as the genuine Wagner, but is it really worth the extra cost?

Let's see if that extra cost will lower IATs much better. ^_^
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It is the Wagner! I guess I paid an extra $700 for that genuine sticker.

Just because it looks like a Wagner does not mean it performs as a Wagner

Believe it or not manufacturing an intercooler is a complicated thing. I can tell you 100% Wagner has better air flow, higher core density, better finish, better intake air temp control and less pressure drop.


If you paid $700 extra it means you got the competition line which is a tube and fin core not a bar and plate and that FMIC is on another level all together
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Intercooler went in today without a hitch. 100% fitment on mounting points and on the piping. Will have data soon.
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how are you testing it? looking forward to the results
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how are you testing it? looking forward to the results
I will have IAT data from my JB4 log.
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It is the Wagner! I guess I paid an extra $700 for that genuine sticker.

Hey friend, does the sticker indicate what model it is?
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Hey friend, does the sticker indicate what model it is?
I don't believe so, and i'm not dropping it to find out. I got it straight from N54Tuning -- trusted seller.
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I can get some more data logs soon with some hard pulls, but this is the full log from a 20 minute drive today in some stop and go traffic, 60 mph cruising, and a couple semi-hard pulls.

Ambient temperature was 92 degrees. For the most part, IATs were around the 100-110 degrees mark. Car felt absolutely great.




Here's a link to the full log:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw_...ew?usp=sharing
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I can get some more data logs soon with some hard pulls, but this is the full log from a 20 minute drive today in some stop and go traffic, 60 mph cruising, and a couple semi-hard pulls.

Ambient temperature was 92 degrees. For the most part, IATs were around the 100-110 degrees mark. Car felt absolutely great.




Here's a link to the full log:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw_...ew?usp=sharing
If that's the case and it's true and accurate I can say from logging my Wagner sport FMIC the IAT's are very similar if not the same.

Hope it just holds up with the build quality, otherwise that's a bargain option.
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If that's the case and it's true and accurate I can say from logging my Wagner sport FMIC the IAT's are very similar if not the same.

Hope it just holds up with the build quality, otherwise that's a bargain option.
I'm convinced they're the same.

Look at the Wagner one, the Active Autowerke, and the eBay one I have. They're identical.
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Who is the seller on ebay? I'm building my car now and need one.
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Who is the seller on ebay? I'm building my car now and need one.
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