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Too many countries managed it with totally different demographics, climates etc for that to be much of a part. We know that it spreads indoors, but the freedom businesses have to still operate with very little control here isn’t helping. I had a Teams meeting yesterday with British colleagues based in Singapore, they were in a big conference room. Just two people, both wearing masks sat far apart. We then had a U.K. management briefing for three hours and 6 members of our board were in a meeting room together presenting to us for two hours. No masks and I know the room has almost no ventilation. Our rules and our guidance is piss poor. Our lockdown is too wishy washy and our public takes advantage of that every chance they get. |
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01-27-2021, 08:31 AM | #2774 | ||
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01-27-2021, 08:41 AM | #2775 | ||
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01-27-2021, 09:31 AM | #2776 | |
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The message is , essential travel only , to stop the spread , no part of getting a dent repaired / refinishing alloy wheels or buying a watch could possibly be deemed as essential. By the same token i am classed as an essential worker as i am employed in the newspaper industry , why in this day and age are newspapers essential i have no idea with 24h news coverage on TV etc. I fully understand why some businesses , financially, need to function to stay afloat and am not knocking them and would do the same thing if it was my own company but , the lockdown parameters seem a bit vague to say the least. K |
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01-27-2021, 09:46 AM | #2777 | |
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I cant understand they the Range is open, what the f*** do they sell that is ever essential.....? But then if the public stuck to the rules they would shut again as no customers..... |
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01-27-2021, 09:53 AM | #2778 | |
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01-27-2021, 10:00 AM | #2779 | |
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You talked about rules for wearing masks etc in the work place, but there aren’t any as far as I can see. Some garages do it through good practice, but they’re not obliged to I don’t think. Offices similar, there are offices still open with most in them not wearing masks, still thinking that 2 meters apart will stop it spreading when they’re sat there for 8 hours. Same with tradesmen. Moving house soon and had a few round fixing things. Only those working for bigger companies put a mask on when they come in. |
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01-27-2021, 10:09 AM | #2781 | |
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Saying that, we still have our cleaners as they wanted to keep working, we just make sure we're out the house for a couple of hours on a walk when they come. |
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01-27-2021, 10:20 AM | #2782 | |
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Of course this is a viscous circle, as more mixing spreads infection, but if its the difference between your business going under, and potentially staying afloat, then that is what those that can will do, especially if you can do it with social distance etc |
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01-27-2021, 10:25 AM | #2783 | |
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Wouldn’t trust them to keep masks on whilst working. We don’t have cleaners since my wife went part time when we had kids. We’ve replaced the cost of cleaners with the cost of relationship therapy for all the fucking arguing cleaning causes. |
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01-27-2021, 11:28 AM | #2784 |
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I wouldn't have let them in without one. We've just had the boiler and the burglar alarm serviced, which I suppose are not 100% essential, except to maintain the warranty. Everyone who came in the house wore a mask the whole time and we did the same.
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01-27-2021, 12:09 PM | #2785 |
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Question for the medical folks on here.....
We've had an extended family bubble with my daughter since last March, as her and her partner are key workers on shifts, and we sometimes need to look after our two Granddaughters. No issues at all in that time. Last Monday evening (18th) she started feeling a bit under the weather, and subsequently returned a positive COVID test on Tuesday evening. Very mild symptoms that had completely disappeared by Thursday, and neither her partner or the girls have shown any symptoms at all. They've been self-isolating since then, and their isolation period ends (in theory) 10 days after the first onset of symptoms, which was the 18th. On that basis, they are intending to re-enter circulation from this Friday (29th) as isolation ends on Thursday evening. They're both working on Saturday with a crossover in shifts, and have asked if we'll take the girls for the afternoon. So my question is this: is there any significant risk of contracting COVID in these circumstances? Whilst we can easily do a handover in a 'distanced' fashion, my concern is that the girls (4 & 2) could be asymptomatic carriers and still shedding virus if they didn't pick it up from my daughter or her partner until later in the week or early this week. My wife and I are both late 50's, fit as a pack of butcher's dogs with no known underlying health issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean that we'd only experience milder symptoms. Would appreciate your thoughts..... |
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01-27-2021, 12:42 PM | #2786 | |
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Removals man quoting and Ideal boiler man fixing a broken boiler both wore them. Local self employed electrician and gas fitters did not want to. |
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01-27-2021, 01:26 PM | #2788 |
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I have to admit I did think twice before saying something. The electrician who came Monday particularly, as we know him as a friend as well. But, I decided I’d had my jab Saturday, it seemed especially silly to be taking risks before it had even had chance to offer me some protection.
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01-27-2021, 01:51 PM | #2789 |
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from 8 pm yesterday Anyone watching 54 days on BBC2 right now?
Just watched it now via Iplayer. Certainly the time taken by their Government to lock China down makes Boris look comparatively quick and responsive. |
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01-27-2021, 02:10 PM | #2790 | |
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This is not free of risk but if your grandkids require care what can you realistically do? Also the grandkids might become asymptomatic carriers at anytime so its either a firm 'no until we are vaccinated we aren't going to provide childcare' or accepting small risks but moving on for family's sake. If I was a granddad I would do the latter |
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01-27-2021, 02:17 PM | #2791 | |
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It's the 'closer to home' moment when chance becomes reality that makes you think about it more carefully. In the end I agree with you, and we either accept that small risk, or we don't. |
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01-27-2021, 02:54 PM | #2792 | |
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My youngest grandson had a week off nursery at the start of Jan when the nursery had a positive test. Given I live with them and was helping with child care whilst he was at home - and he is just 1 and loves a cuddle - I was with him lots and just had to accept that if he was carrying I'd get it. But I didnt which is probably good as I am Boris' age and a bit less healthy! Have them, enjoy and live for now. |
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01-27-2021, 05:06 PM | #2793 | ||
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From my experience the little ones have the same viral load but don't seem to spread as easily unless they are really yelling. That matches what we encountered. The little fellow was frightened by a storm the night before we tested him. That evening he climbed into bed with us and slept most of the night in our bed and did not infect us. We tested him that next morning (it was our Thanksgiving holiday and we were testing our holiday dinner bubble). He also spent time in my car for 2-3 days before we tested him and I also was not infected. My 17 yo even picked him up one day from outdoor soccer camp and she didn't get it. Obviously once we found him positive, we quarantined and stoped all activities for 14 days (this was last fall so 14 days was the rule). He gave it to his sister prior to our testing since they were home together during our fall break and were playing and fighting over video games. The 17 yo was home babysitting the whole time and she never got it. We frequently tested so we tracked the whole infection course of both kids and verified that we were negative. At that time only my 17 yo was vaccinated (she got the real virus in the trial, while my wife and I initially had the placebo). Anyway, my feelings is have fun and enjoy the kids and if worried wear a mask. We all wore masks in the house during our "hot zone" adventure and kept the windows opened and fans moving air around. We did just fine. |
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01-28-2021, 02:42 AM | #2794 | |
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More seriously, good information as always. Although I suspect windows open, and fans on, is more pleasant in Louisiana than Glasgow in January. |
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