The F30 has just one pitfall.

Logicoeur · 07-02-2022, 10:38 AM

The f30 (6cyl) doesn't need more hrsprs. It only needs good suspension.

Good set of coilovers, an lsd and control arm bushings. The car is amazing.

Convince me otherwise.

Note: I just did (another) suspension refresh and dp install. Going to get inspected sp I'm on stg 0. The car is perfect as is. I will just turn off stock burbles.

Wires · 07-02-2022, 12:13 PM

I love the extra HP for straight line acceleration, but won't disagree with anything you said above. With the soft suspension, you really cannot appreciate the HP/TQ the car has coming out of corners.

Logicoeur · 07-02-2022, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wires

I love the extra HP for straight line acceleration, but won't disagree with anything you said above. With the soft suspension, you really cannot appreciate the HP/TQ the car has coming out of corners.

Did you read the post? The pitfall is the oe suspension.

eff32fl · 07-02-2022, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Logicoeur

Did you read the post? The pitfall is the oe suspension.

He agreed with you lol

Wires · 07-02-2022, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Logicoeur

Did you read the post? The pitfall is the oe suspension.

Oh, I did. I'm just saying I like the straight line acceleration with the extra HP, but like you mentioned, suspension is 100% the weak point of this car.

My point was, not that you NEED the extra HP, but I like it!

I just cannot enjoy it all with marshmellow suspension and body roll.

eff32fl · 07-02-2022, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Wires

Oh, I did. I'm just saying I like the straight line acceleration with the extra HP, but like you mentioned, suspension is 100% the weak point of this car.

My point was, not that you NEED the extra HP, but I like it!

I just cannot enjoy it all with marshmellow suspension and body roll.

Indeed the spongey suspension is a weak point, I don't have an F30 but the F32 is the same way. It's better in sport though.

Logicoeur · 07-02-2022, 02:48 PM

Wow I read "won't agree" 🤣🤣

Wires · 07-02-2022, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eff32fl

Indeed the spongey suspension is a weak point, I don't have an F30 but the F32 is the same way. It's better in sport though.

Yeh. I did Dinan shockware for the adaptive suspension which really helped, but it still rolls hard into the corners since the springs are the issue.

I was thinking of upgrading the swaybars since that was night/day on other rides, but it's a bit of a PITA on the BMW since you need to split the subframe. It was an insanely complicated and long process.

bavarianride · 07-02-2022, 05:46 PM

I had a F30 328i N26 for 8.5 yrs and 80k miles.

I do agree F30 factory suspensions (non-sport and sport) are softer than previous 3-series.

In contrast, the G20 with stiff chassis + lift-related dampers (regardless of non-sport/sport) handles better than F30.

bavarianride · 07-02-2022, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Wires

Yeh. I did Dinan shockware for the adaptive suspension which really helped, but it still rolls hard into the corners since the springs are the issue.

I was thinking of upgrading the swaybars since that was night/day on other rides, but it's a bit of a PITA on the BMW since you need to split the subframe. It was an insanely complicated and long process.

Non-adaptive suspension may be easier to mod than adaptive one.

If u already have 704, then u can swap in MPSK (M performance suspension kit) without dropping subframes.

If u don't have 704 then the subframes (I think both rear and front) need to be dropped to swap in sport anti-roll bars, plus the struts + springs.

Jvac · 07-03-2022, 01:07 AM

You're not wrong. With lsd, upgraded suspension, and aftermarket tension struts, my car is an absolute blast. Driven back to back with my girlfriend's stock 320 it's night and day. The oe suspension somehow manages to be both wallowy/loose and jittery/over reactive. It's bad in every way. The suspension should be the first thing to go. Better springs and better dampers is probably enough for most people. The trick is maintaining flat ride and not just going with something that overdoes it by confusing stiff with sporty. The roll bars are a big costly job and only the front really makes much difference.
But, a little extra power doesn't hurt either. People like to beat up on dinan but I got a used stage 2 for next to nothing on this forum, and it it definitely makes noticeable gains over stock performance. It complements the other upgrades very well and doesn't outshine the chassis.

Jvac · 07-03-2022, 07:59 PM

Indeed some better springs would help and they would be cheaper to install. Eibach or F80 M3 progressive springs are pretty affordable. I got the latter on a great deal from a forum member over in the m3/m4 classified section. They're definitely a step up from stock

sspade · 07-04-2022, 07:19 AM

Just installed the solid 15mm rear ARB and a huge difference in handling characteristics was realized.

To say that changing the front bar is the only one worth the time and effort is just plain wrong. I would argue that the rear bar will have a more dramatic effect.

Chihuahua · 07-04-2022, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Logicoeur

The f30 (6cyl) doesn't need more hrsprs. It only needs good suspension.

Good set of coilovers, an lsd and control arm bushings. The car is amazing.

Convince me otherwise.

Note: I just did (another) suspension refresh and dp install. Going to get inspected sp I'm on stg 0. The car is perfect as is. I will just turn off stock burbles.

EPS is utter TRASH on the F30, and there's no fixing that. I'm glad you're enjoying your F30. I sold mine, F30 has no soul.

sspade · 07-04-2022, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chihuahua

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logicoeur

The f30 (6cyl) doesn't need more hrsprs. It only needs good suspension.

Good set of coilovers, an lsd and control arm bushings. The car is amazing.

Convince me otherwise.

Note: I just did (another) suspension refresh and dp install. Going to get inspected sp I'm on stg 0. The car is perfect as is. I will just turn off stock burbles.

EPS is utter TRASH on the F30, and there's no fixing that. I'm glad you're enjoying your F30. I sold mine, F30 has no soul.

What did you get as a replacement, genuinely interested.

Chihuahua · 07-04-2022, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sspade

What did you get as a replacement, genuinely interested.

E65 Alpina B7. I don't DD either of my BMWs. I will give the F30 that, it was good for a daily driver. But that was my gripe with it; of all the BMWs I've owned, the F30 made me feel like I was driving a german Camry. I had a 328i M Sport.

floridaorange · 07-04-2022, 11:48 AM

The funniest posts are by those who say they lowered their f30 with H&R sport springs using their OE shocks and the ride was perfect/great.

Logicoeur · 07-04-2022, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by floridaorange

The funniest posts are by those who say they lowered their f30 with H&R sport springs using their OE shocks and the ride was perfect/great.

AspektUSA · 07-04-2022, 12:24 PM

Funny enough, I read reviews some time ago that a F30 LCI M-Sport / THP car is more or less identical to a G20.

Think it was either R&T or Edmunds with that remark.

But agree that pre-LCI 328i F30 owners are left wanting for more "BMW".

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Wires Brigadier General 1653 Rep 4,886 Posts Drives: 2016 340i xDrive Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Calgary iTrader: (0)	I love the extra HP for straight line acceleration, but won't disagree with anything you said above. With the soft suspension, you really cannot appreciate the HP/TQ the car has coming out of corners.
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bavarianride Major General 1511 Rep 5,091 Posts Drives: bimmer Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: northern california iTrader: (0)	I had a F30 328i N26 for 8.5 yrs and 80k miles. I do agree F30 factory suspensions (non-sport and sport) are softer than previous 3-series. In contrast, the G20 with stiff chassis + lift-related dampers (regardless of non-sport/sport) handles better than F30.
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Jvac Captain 435 Rep 787 Posts Drives: 2015 335i rwd Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Usa iTrader: (1)	You're not wrong. With lsd, upgraded suspension, and aftermarket tension struts, my car is an absolute blast. Driven back to back with my girlfriend's stock 320 it's night and day. The oe suspension somehow manages to be both wallowy/loose and jittery/over reactive. It's bad in every way. The suspension should be the first thing to go. Better springs and better dampers is probably enough for most people. The trick is maintaining flat ride and not just going with something that overdoes it by confusing stiff with sporty. The roll bars are a big costly job and only the front really makes much difference. But, a little extra power doesn't hurt either. People like to beat up on dinan but I got a used stage 2 for next to nothing on this forum, and it it definitely makes noticeable gains over stock performance. It complements the other upgrades very well and doesn't outshine the chassis. __________________ 335i rwd auto, 2015 with m performance LSD and Dinan stage 2. Cts charge pipe, mad 5" stepped intercooler.
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Jvac Captain 435 Rep 787 Posts Drives: 2015 335i rwd Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Usa iTrader: (1)	Indeed some better springs would help and they would be cheaper to install. Eibach or F80 M3 progressive springs are pretty affordable. I got the latter on a great deal from a forum member over in the m3/m4 classified section. They're definitely a step up from stock __________________ 335i rwd auto, 2015 with m performance LSD and Dinan stage 2. Cts charge pipe, mad 5" stepped intercooler.
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AspektUSA Lieutenant 274 Rep 498 Posts Drives: 340i MSport/THP Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Denver iTrader: (0)	Funny enough, I read reviews some time ago that a F30 LCI M-Sport / THP car is more or less identical to a G20. Think it was either R&T or Edmunds with that remark. But agree that pre-LCI 328i F30 owners are left wanting for more "BMW".
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