10-30-2020, 08:00 AM | #178 | |
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Won't dwell too much on VD as its already been covered but I think we all know the ots stage 2+ maps are going to make more power everywhere in the rpm range over the regular stage 2 ots.
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On the regular stage 2 e30 map my car ran 9.11s 100-200 then switched to the e30+map and dropped to 7.91s (same conditions). My times will 100% drop too, the e30+ map was getting quicker the more I ran it but unfortunately ran out of time that day. We will see a 7.7/7.8 especially as it heads into winter. FYI last winter on the regular racegas map my car ran 8.77s vs 9.11s in warmer conditions....gives an idea of what can be gained. The racegas+ map interests me the most as it looks to run 0.5psi more than the e30+ map. It wont surprise me if we see a 7.6/7.7s 100-200 |
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10-30-2020, 12:48 PM | #180 |
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...mparison-test/
Scroll to the bottom, they provide a full breakdown of gear ratios, weight, and frontal area Also for everyone else: You can also utilize truck stops on the highway to weigh your car. I've done it a few times, I may do it this weekend for giggles.
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I think I did... Cd @ .35 and frontal area @ 22.38 Last edited by FastF30; 10-30-2020 at 01:09 PM.. |
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P.s. EstorilMSport has time slips that verify his dynorun is in the ballpark... so yes on a stock HPFP and stock Turbo our cars are capable of over 400whp in the right conditions...
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10-30-2020, 01:53 PM | #183 | |
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It’s like you’re not appreciating the fact that over here in the real world Daleb and I have been using BM3 for several years thru many OTS revisions and several that we actually helped with. These maps are much quicker than 400-410whp N55’s. And, I don’t care what VD is saying, show me an N55 on a stock HPFP that is doing 7.6-7.9s 100-200. Right now, the only people I’m listening to are those with real numbers like Daleb and the dyno I did on a beta version of the OTS that was close to 430whp on a Dynojet. The OTS is stronger than the beta, so I’ll redo my dyno soon. |
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You sound like engineers that “used” to work for me for a reason. They stay in their heads & computer programs and over analyze stuff too much, when all that matters is the real world. I’d tell them to get it out of the computer, build a prototype, test it, and figure out which of your assumptions are wrong bc one or more of them always are! |
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I have to ask the question, why do the HP numbers and 100-200km times even really matter here? It's not like people are going to use that information to make a decision as to whether or not they are going to purchase BM3 or run this tune (at least they shouldn't). Everyone reading this thread is just going to get lost in a sea of numbers for HP and acceleration times.
The more important thing is the datalogs, how a variety of different cars are responding to the tune under different conditions, etc. That's really what matters to make an informed decisions as to whether or not you want to run this tune on your car and how it looks when its applied to a greater sample size than the original testers. We need a consolidated post of car information and the log on that particular car running this map so we can look at the data. A prior log on the stage 2 map would also provide context for exactly what this map is doing as compared to the stage 2. There's no question this map will make more power than the stage 2 map (of course assuming you have supporting mods and fuel to support timing, etc), so all we need now is to see the logs as more users begin running the tune. |
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10-30-2020, 02:26 PM | #187 | |
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I have all the logs you mentioned, just not the time to post them at the moment. Hopefully this weekend. |
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10-30-2020, 02:26 PM | #188 | |
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That will happen. I suggest you compile some real world data of your own to contribute.
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10-30-2020, 02:53 PM | #190 | |
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Need you guys to do some clean 3rd or 4th gear pulls depending on your transmission... But in my opinion Daleb maybe at best will get another 10whp on that tune... Your car is modified and really can't use it against stock cars... ctt300 if he upgrades his pump I expect to see another 20whp+ on that 2+E30map.... I really really hope it's more.... but as it stands I've got JerryBMW video racing the same mustang before and after pump upgrade... timeslips...logs ... etc...etc...etc...going from a MHD OTS E20 (that's what I'm running) to a custom MHD E85 map.... so I'm looking forward to Black Friday.... Last edited by FastF30; 10-30-2020 at 03:17 PM.. |
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10-30-2020, 03:15 PM | #191 | |
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When I re-dyno my car I’ll get curves for Stg 2+ E30, Stg 2 E30, Stg 2 93, and stock, with logs at the same time. That’s the kind of real world data we’re talking about. In other news, I fully support the endeavor towards making more power, that is solid year round and on track. |
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10-30-2020, 03:23 PM | #192 | |
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Yes please get that data... it would be priceless... |
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I’m not sure your point regarding 400whp vs 400whp. We’ve seen m2’s and other n55s hit 400whp on the 93 ots so it’s safe to say the regular racegas or e30 map will do 400whp...we agree on this. My car has went from 9.1 to 7.9 100-200 going from the 400whp stage 2 ots e30 map to the stage 2+ e30 map. No one can seriously think that this map still makes 400whp...... I also agree a heavier 3 series won’t get below 8s on the stage 2+ maps due to weight. Quote:
It’s definitely a valid point but on the road performance like 100-200kph puts in to practice what a certain whp/clean log etc does. Personally for me on road performance is the most important as it’s where we use our cars, we don’t drive on dyno’s or live in logs. In Europe 100-200kph is a big selling point. Dyno’s vary a lot over here so tuner A might say I make 450whp and do 8.5s 100-200. Tuner B then says I make 430whp but do 100-200 in 7.9s....obviously we would want to go with tuner B https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f6d...729b5dcecefd97 That’s a stage 2 racegas log from my car. Maybe you can compare that to my racegas+ log further up Last edited by Daleb; 10-31-2020 at 04:54 AM.. |
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Looks like the car broke traction and I lifted a little. Can’t remember it was a while ago now.
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