03-26-2012, 01:51 PM | #177 | |
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But I think my point is simple. If you would have criticized the EPA the same way in a situation like this regardless of which manufacturer was involved, I would disagree with you but you would at least be consistent. If you are defending BMW only because you are a fan, I personally don't see how that is a rational argument. As for the EPA numbers being crap, I think you are missing the point. It's not supposed to be an accurate predictor of your own mileage, which would actually be impossible. It is supposed to serve as a tool for comparison, and for that purpose it is very useful. Would you rather not have any standard on mileage testing, and allow automakers to report numbers based on whatever test scheme they want to use that day? Now THAT would be crap numbers. The bottom line is that BMW overstated their numbers for whatever reason, and this is SUPPOSED to be embarrassing. Otherwise, every manufacturer will report fake numbers hoping that some of them won't get caught, without any repercussions. So if you are defending BMW on this issue, you are only encouraging car makers to ignore the EPA standard and overstate their numbers for better marketing. We as consumers should criticize a manufacturer for not following the rule that everyone else follows. Finally, I would note that this level of fanboism is NOT normal for every car forum. In fact, I would say that this place is one of the most fanboish owner communities I've ever been to. I'm sure that makes BMW marketing people all warm and fuzzy, but it's not something I would personally be proud of. |
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03-26-2012, 02:22 PM | #178 |
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It seems to me impossible to determine for now whether BMW overstated its fuel economy numbers, or the EPA has understated them. Because of the ratings for other BMW models, especially those with the N20 engine, I'm leaning toward EPA as the culprit. We'll find out, I think, when we see the ratings for the 2013 model.
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03-26-2012, 08:17 PM | #179 | |
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On the highway at steady speed, there isn't anything ECO could be doing, other than reducing AC and electric load. That's only going to save a little bit. Highway driving doesn't really require judicious use of throttle from many starts and stops. As long as the driver is not hammering the throttle passing all the time, MPG isn't that affected. Part of the ECO program is to get the trans to high gear as quickly as possible. On the highway you are in high gear all the time, unless you're passing, so there is no fuel saving from short shifting the trans. Personally I don't see myself ever using ECO mode as I like to drive a certain way, and I way the best throttle response and shift speed all the time. If you're a driver who likes that as well, then you're probably over driving the ECO mode, or simply not driving it the way it was intended, and if so you won't see much MPG improvement. Plus, if you giving it more throttle to compensate for the slow mode, you could be using more fuel which is counter to what ECO is for. |
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03-26-2012, 09:50 PM | #180 | |
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As far as being fan boys, I've been here for 40 months and have read 1000's of posts criticizing BMW for all kinds of issues. Two notables for the e90 are RFT's and HPFP's not to mention dozens heavily critiquing the new F30 for everything from an engine sounding like a diesel to Lexus like steering. Last, many of my posts are about balance and perspective and the posts in this thread are meant to be in that same vein. |
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03-27-2012, 01:09 PM | #181 | |
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As for the fanboi-ness of this forum, I don't see your point about people complaining as being necessarily against the point I made. In general, a lot of people seem to consider BMW to be something beyond a publicly traded company that produces cars. On the one hand, you have people that complain about inconsequential things basically because a BMW is supposed to be a god's own gift to mankind and anything less is a failure, and on the other hand you have people that blindly worship the brand for the same reason. (That is not to say that concerns about runflats and such are unfounded, those are/were real issues) But I'm sure I made my point more than sufficiently, so I'll shut up on this matter. |
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04-24-2012, 02:07 PM | #182 | |
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04-24-2012, 02:25 PM | #184 |
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Actual mileage for 328i automatic
We picked up a 328i (base model with automatic) in Munich in May. In 2,000 miles of driving in Germany and Holland the average computed fuel mileage was slightly over 36mpg.
We have close to another 6,000 miles in the US and are averaging slightly over 35mpg. Have exceeded 40mpg on a couple of long trips. My guess is that the mileage rating will increase when the car is retested. Only complaint I have is BMW's habit of providing inaccurate information on the onboard computer. Gas mileage reads 5-6% high and speedometer is about 3% high. Odometer is closer at roughly 1/2% high. Car is excellent for my wife, but, not quite as sporty as my 2007 335i with six speed. |
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