[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by goj

What car do you own that you're basing your rant on?

Perspective is key here. You're comparing the f30 to cars released a half a decade or more later. I feel bad for those who have to deal with your doomsday/pessimistic perspective on a regular basis.

Car and driver actually ranked the F30 pre LCI as the best in class for the first 3+ years of its life despite its flaws

I own a 2014 335i 6MT with upgraded M performance suspension that I'm mostly happy with. My post was mostly just trying to stick up for the G70. It's funny that so many people got so butthurt about what I wrote. The only things I mentioned about the F30 were interior quality, steering, suspension, and loss of the manual for the G20. I also stated the new G20 3 series should have a better interior so it's not like I'm not being realistic here. Then again, even when new, the F30 wasn't exactly the best German luxury interior.

The only other thing I mentioned was the B58 compared to Hyundai's 3.3t. I responded to someone else, but Hyundai's motor actually bumped the B58 off of Ward's top 10 engines list. So take from that what you will. I'm sure the guy who first mentioned Ward's will now make up some excuse why Ward's is actually not reliable and Hyundai probably bought their spot on the list.

It's widely agreed upon that BMW has regressed in steering feel and suspension tuning. Others (Jag, Alfa) do it better now. I want a fairly reliable car though, so I'm not about to jump ship. If BMW wants the F30 to be sportier, they can make it sportier. It doesn't need new technology or expensive equipment. It's just a different part for the dampers/springs and control arms. They just choose to make the car for more of a mass market appeal. That means softer ride and isolated steering feel.

Personally, I've upgraded to M Performance suspension so I love the way my car rides except for the steering feel. Everything else about the steering is great. It's smooth, accurate, and sufficiently quick. It's only the classic BMW feel that doesn't exist anymore.

[Sea-Tac]

Junk with a goofy interior.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Just read a long review about who the G-70 was designed by. Its like the German & Italian all star team. Think they will have a successful cars over time & be a good competitor to the German entries. Competition is good for everybody who buys cars.

Peter Schreyer Audi Design Head
Albert Biermann BMW M division Head
Luc Donckerwolke Bentley Design Head
Manfred Fitzgerald Lamborghini Brand Head
SangYup Lee Bentley Exterior Design Head
Alexander Selipanov Bugatti Chiron
Fayez Rahman BMW Lead development 7 Series, X crossover models & M vehicles.
Thomas Schemera US BMW M Head.

Thought this comment as to why HMG has a good shot long term makes sense.

"HMG could have taken the same path as Honda, Nissan, and Toyota. It certainly has the war chest and homegrown talent in the areas of design, manufacturing, and technology. It also has a business culture steeped in pride and competition. But by acknowledging that veteran outsiders might know the premium space better—and building a dream team led by these experts and mentors—Genesis may just reinvent the luxury car."

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by Mr. Tasty

Isn't the G70 supposed to compete with the 3-series, G80 and Stinger GT competes with the 5-series?

G70 curb weight is around 3500-3700 lbs, while the G80/ Stinger are around 4000-4100 lbs

To my knowledge the stinger is meant to compete with the 4 series gran coupe, s5 sportback, and whatever the mb equivalent is. I'd say it also competes with the sedan versions as well 3 series, a4/s4, etc. it is slightly bigger and heavier than the 3/4 series, but not as big or luxurious as a 5 series. I can't imagine someone who's in the market for something like a 5 series or E class going for the Stinger. It is a slightly less expensive alternative to a 3/4 series though.

[chiefneil]

Originally Posted by Mr. Tasty

Isn't the G70 supposed to compete with the 3-series, G80 and Stinger GT competes with the 5-series?

G70 curb weight is around 3500-3700 lbs, while the G80/ Stinger are around 4000-4100 lbs

Didn’t know that, might be worth taking a look when I’m tired of my F30 then.

[Twindubs]

I am very much considering the 3.3t over my next BMW. I'd like to test it out and see the inside in person first. I saw one drive by in person last week and I thought it looked very slick. Currently driving a '13 335i. Looking for something with an upgrade in tech to bridge me 3 years until I jump into an M3.

BMW is too complacent! I'm glad there are new options to consider

[Gen13 F36]

The problem is service experience. My friends have Hyundai Genesis for a long time and every time the car get in for service and get stuck for more than a day or two....he was told he was on his own, means there no service loaners/ courtesy vehicle for you. For a car almost 60k.. They should provide them.

And anyone of you ever been on kia and Hyundai service dept....lol

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

The problem is service experience. My friends have Hyundai Genesis for a long time and every time the car get in for service and get stuck for more than a day or two....he was told he was on his own, means there no service loaners/ courtesy vehicle for you. For a car almost 60k.. They should provide them.

And anyone of you ever been on kia and Hyundai service dept....lol

Does he go to a stand alone Genesis store or a Hyundai one? I got my grandson a Genesis Coupe & we don't have any stand alone operations.

So far the two free services have been OK. Were in & out quickly.

[insanecoder]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

The 3.3t in the Stinger actually bumped the BMW B58 motor off of Ward's 10 best list. So... yeah.

"In the rear-wheel-drive Stinger, the 3.3L V-6 is quiet and smooth at idle but willing to bellow like a big V-8 under hard throttle," Wards wrote. According to the publication, it bumped the BMW B58 turbocharged inline six-cylinder engine from the list.

well well
looks like I have to go back to the anal dealer and beg for a testdrive
and see what this is all about
I believe the motor is more performant in the G70.. strange but rather drive a Genesis than a Kia anyway

[otay]

My 2 cents: come on people! It's another rear drive 4-door 350+HP performance sedan! How can you not be intrigued? I'm still in my '14 335i (which I mostly love), but if the M340i turns out to be crazy expensive, I'll take a hard look at this.

[FastF30]

Well I'm glad I bought what I bought... 2015 f30... best year imo... all the bugs worked out etc.... based on that... let's see in 4-6 years how I feel and by then if there is any bugs in the g70 they'd be worked out also... The new G20 is basically gonna weigh the same as my 2015 since the b58/f30 models are heavier... in 5 years Genisis will probably have a name for it self by then and badge won't really matter.... It will just matter if I can break into high 11's on pump gas which it can and probably get a better deal on a used Genisis by then... I'm sure they'll do a facelift (which it needs) on it after 3 years so 6years is my target date for purchasing a used one if I decide by then... the other thing is they are saying no room for aftermarket turbos but we'll see on that... so for now I'm more than happy with mine and might go PS2 next summer.... but living in the city a good tune might be good enough... just glad to see a new model to help stir up the competition...

[Tribalpinoy911]

It just looks chincy or downmarket to me idk..

[anotheran]

Mechanical lsd. I wished bmw made that standard on their non M products.

I personally think the 2.0T isn't price competitve enough compared to a lightly spec'ed 328i/330i and heavier. But the 3.3T is another story. But it comes down to that bmw in line 6 and chassis balance. But I think brand cachet, motorsports heritage, and looks do win many over here

[chhappy7]

I think it’s a good car for what it is. It’s like Stinger where it’s more of a GT car, not a throw around curves type of car that out 3 series tends to be. So for that purpose I think it’s fine. I’m a sucker for quilted leather so G70 has that going for it. I think it really looks nice but in a GT way, versus the f30 is more of sporty looking nice.

If I cared less about handling and such and more about just cruising, I would probably choose Genesis. I don’t know if it applies where I live, but I remember reading that Genesis comes to pick up your car for service and drops off a loaner, at your home or your office. So I thought that was cool thing to do while they roll out dedicates dealerships.

[bimmer456]

The Kia stinger is slow despite press hype and claimed acceleration times. The G70 will be the same, but even more expensive. Would like to see a drag race between the 3.3 and the 340i to see which is faster.

[rlmesq]

Originally Posted by chiefneil

It’s a nice looking car for people that don’t like to push beyond 7/10ths or so (based on Car and Driver reviews). [...] I wouldn’t push a 5-series beyond 7/10ths either, anyway.

Anybody who thinks they're pushing a reasonable performance car "beyond 7/10ths or so," unless they're on a racetrack, has no idea what 7/10ths feels like.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

The Kia stinger is slow despite press hype and claimed acceleration times. The G70 will be the same, but even more expensive. Would like to see a drag race between the 3.3 and the 340i to see which is faster.

Its slow compared to what? If the G70 is a few hundred pounds lighter it will be quite quick.

Pure Stock Stinger 12.5 1/4 mile

https://youtu.be/fohLW5fAToM

Stinger 370HP vs M140 340HP 1:17 on the vid.

https://youtu.be/6zEUpxAT2zQ

[435MSport6Speed]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Just read a long review about who the G-70 was designed by. Its like the German & Italian all star team. Think they will have a successful cars over time & be a good competitor to the German entries. Competition is good for everybody who buys cars.

Peter Schreyer Audi Design Head
Albert Biermann BMW M division Head
Luc Donckerwolke Bentley Design Head
Manfred Fitzgerald Lamborghini Brand Head
SangYup Lee Bentley Exterior Design Head
Alexander Selipanov Bugatti Chiron
Fayez Rahman BMW Lead development 7 Series, X crossover models & M vehicles.
Thomas Schemera US BMW M Head.

Thought this comment as to why HMG has a good shot long term makes sense.

"HMG could have taken the same path as Honda, Nissan, and Toyota. It certainly has the war chest and homegrown talent in the areas of design, manufacturing, and technology. It also has a business culture steeped in pride and competition. But by acknowledging that veteran outsiders might know the premium space better—and building a dream team led by these experts and mentors—Genesis may just reinvent the luxury car."

Great post BEAR.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Its slow compared to what? If the G70 is a few hundred pounds lighter it will be quite quick.

Pure Stock Stinger 12.5 1/4 mile

https://youtu.be/fohLW5fAToM

Stinger 370HP vs M140 340HP 1:17 on the vid.

https://youtu.be/6zEUpxAT2zQ

The comments say it all, this doesn't show much just the gauge cluster is there any videos with the B58 drag racing a stinger on a drag strip from a dead stop and one or the other wins? If one wins with it not being close then that would show something as you could have different outcomes in different conditions as was shown with the M5 and Mercedes E63 AMG having different outcomes in different videos