[listed5]

Replaced my slightly leaking oil filter housing gasket tonight and broke one of the 3 bolts that fastens in to the block (think my torque wrench is out of spec). Thought it would be okay to drive to a nearby hardware store to buy a temporary replacement. I was mistaken! The housing seperated from the block under acceleration and spewed out oil. The engine then shut off and would not restart. I get a starter/ignition error when i attempt to start it. Sounds like the starter is trying to rotate but the motor is seized. Does this sound accurate? What are my options engine wise? I'm not aware of any known bmw engine rebuild specialists in the Maryland area, but the block is probably toast anyway.

thanks,
Chris

[XCRN]

Wow that sucks! You seem suprisingly calm about this. Anyways I would reccomend taking a look at car-part.com. Its all used stuff but in my area there are a lot of sub 30,000 mile engines.

[Mike.]

Well see if it's better off getting an m3 now, because apparently, getting a new motor will be more than a base m3.

[listed5]

Originally Posted by Mike.

Well see if it's better off getting an m3 now, because apparently, getting a new motor will be more than a base m3.

You are correct it seems! I'm still hoping to be out for under 10k, but who knows? I'm not sure I can even find a shop qualified to work on it.

[disgruntledcow]

It wouldn't just instantly seize, if you stopped the moment the housing separated you should be fine. If you kept driving with no oil pressure for 5 minutes, thats a different story. Did you over heat? Were there any oil pressure lights? You can try spinning the crank manually with a tool to verify if the motor is seized.

[listed5]

Originally Posted by XCRN

Wow that sucks! You seem suprisingly calm about this. Anyways I would reccomend taking a look at car-part.com. Its all used stuff but in my area there are a lot of sub 30,000 mile engines.

More like heart broken! lol. Knowing a $6 bolt caused 10k+ in destruction. All of the cheap motors on car-part are on the west coast, only one near me is $7,500 at the moment. thinking that's more than a rebuilt short block.

[listed5]

Originally Posted by disgruntledcow

It wouldn't just instantly seize, if you stopped the moment the housing separated you should be fine. If you kept driving with no oil pressure for 5 minutes, thats a different story. Did you over heat? Were there any oil pressure lights? You can try spinning the crank manually with a tool to verify if the motor is seized.

I didn't stop. I heard it separate as I was merging into traffic and really got on it not knowing what it was. It is undoubtedly seized, I know it was without oil for at least 2-3 minutes. No lights came on other than auto start/stop disabled and another one. I didn't even see the temp gauge. The oil level sensor still thought the pan was full, but obviously it wasn't able to update.

[GTBrandon]

Are you sure it's not simply the ECU disabling your engine from starting in order to preserve from seizing? Also if in MD, maybe talk to Frank Smith, he could be able to help you out.

[Chicken_Joe]

Originally Posted by Mike.

Well see if it's better off getting an m3 now, because apparently, getting a new motor will be more than a base m3.

Getting a man F30 motor will not cost you 60k. Fym. Lmfao

[Mike.]

Originally Posted by Chicken_Joe

Getting a man F30 motor will not cost you 60k. Fym. Lmfao

I know it was a joke referencing that other thread..that no one got

[listed5]

Originally Posted by GTBrandon

Are you sure it's not simply the ECU disabling your engine from starting in order to preserve from seizing? Also if in MD, maybe talk to Frank Smith, he could be able to help you out.

Emailed Frank Smith already, we'll see where it goes. I'm pretty Damn Sure the motor is seized, there aren't any errors in the i-drive and the conditions I experienced are on par with those that spun bearings.

[Chicken_Joe]

Originally Posted by Mike.

I know it was a joke referencing that other thread..that no one got

Oh lolol

[afranke]

[dreamspeed]

I would have thought two out of three bolts woulda held it in place for a bit

[GTBrandon]

Originally Posted by listed5

Emailed Frank Smith already, we'll see where it goes. I'm pretty Damn Sure the motor is seized, there aren't any errors in the i-drive and the conditions I experienced are on par with those that spun bearings.

We'll keep us up to date for sure, also might try talking to Galen at GTPeace in Chantilly, VA. He's very knowledgeable with our BMW's and might be able to help you out, he also knows Frank.

[listed5]

Originally Posted by dreamspeed

I would have thought two out of three bolts woulda held it in place for a bit

Me too! (clearly)... In the cars defense though it held up just fine until I decided to go full tilt for the second time (running 21psi). It didn't like that part so much. Went to redline in 3rd, then at around 5k in 4th it shutdown. Oddly though; my phone could no longer find/pair with the jb4 over bluetooth. Not sure where that device is located; but the jb4 itself was still clean of oil debris.

[listed5]

Originally Posted by GTBrandon

We'll keep us up to date for sure, also might try talking to Galen at GTPeace in Chantilly, VA. He's very knowledgeable with our BMW's and might be able to help you out, he also knows Frank.

Thanks for the tip! What I'm really looking for is an engine builder with the capability of rebuilding my motor (assuming it's salvageable). There are quite a few intricacies and special tools involved. If he is on that level; or knows anyone that is, I'll happily look him up! I'd consider a used motor; but never knowing the exact condition of it is concerning when you're talking about a 30 hour (or $3,500) swap job.

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by listed5

Me too! (clearly)... In the cars defense though it held up just fine until I decided to go full tilt for the second time (running 21psi). It didn't like that part so much. Went to redline in 3rd, then at around 5k in 4th it shutdown. Oddly though; my phone could no longer find/pair with the jb4 over bluetooth. Not sure where that device is located; but the jb4 itself was still clean of oil debris.

I'm just curious reading though your entire thread and understanding you were on your way to the hardware store to find a replacement fastener.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you have one less fastener on your oil filter housing (lifeline of lubrication along with oil pump to your motor) but you felt the need to go "full tilt" or WOT why the hell would you do that on a partially fastened oil filter housing?? You noticed the car didn't like the first WOT run and you persist to stay on it or try again?

This really confuses me...

And you aren't aware where the jb4 or the BT device is located? Did someone else install this for you?

Forgive me if I'm jumping to some type of conclusion but this just seems a tad strange to me.

Since you have an E93 m3 listed in your sig, are you running an F30/32? Is it on a PS2 upgrade since you're seeing 21psi? You realize the stock t map is only good for 20-21 psi and it would shut your car down into limp if you hit that. If you're on a stock turbo how the hell are you seeing 21psi? Meth??

I've just seen a lot of things in this forum over the years and I just need some clarification I guess. :

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by listed5

Replaced my slightly leaking oil filter housing gasket tonight and broke one of the 3 bolts that fastens in to the block (think my torque wrench is out of spec). Thought it would be okay to drive to a nearby hardware store to buy a temporary replacement. I was mistaken! The housing seperated from the block under acceleration and spewed out oil. The engine then shut off and would not restart. I get a starter/ignition error when i attempt to start it. Sounds like the starter is trying to rotate but the motor is seized. Does this sound accurate? What are my options engine wise? I'm not aware of any known bmw engine rebuild specialists in the Maryland area, but the block is probably toast anyway.

thanks,
Chris

I would have recommended utilizing your warranty, but...

Originally Posted by Mike.

Well see if it's better off getting an m3 now, because apparently, getting a new motor will be more than a base m3.

Originally Posted by Chicken_Joe

Getting a man F30 motor will not cost you 60k. Fym. Lmfao

Originally Posted by Mike.

I know it was a joke referencing that other thread..that no one got

Originally Posted by listed5

Me too! (clearly)... In the cars defense though it held up just fine until I decided to go full tilt for the second time (running 21psi). It didn't like that part so much. Went to redline in 3rd, then at around 5k in 4th it shutdown. Oddly though; my phone could no longer find/pair with the jb4 over bluetooth. Not sure where that device is located; but the jb4 itself was still clean of oil debris.

You probably should have just bought an F8X M3/M4 from the beginning before you decided to go wide open throttle at 21psi on an engine that you knew had a "partial" oil filter gasket repair.




This thread proves common sense is not quite so common.

[Eternal]

Originally Posted by Jadar

I'm just curious reading though your entire thread and understanding you were on your way to the hardware store to find a replacement fastener.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you have one less fastener on your oil filter housing (lifeline of lubrication along with oil pump to your motor) but you felt the need to go "full tilt" or WOT why the hell would you do that on a partially fastened oil filter housing?? You noticed the car didn't like the first WOT run and you persist to stay on it or try again?

This really confuses me...

And you aren't aware where the jb4 or the BT device is located? Did someone else install this for you?

Forgive me if I'm jumping to some type of conclusion but this just seems a tad strange to me.

Since you have an E93 m3 listed in your sig, are you running an F30/32? Is it on a PS2 upgrade since you're seeing 21psi? You realize the stock t map is only good for 20-21 psi and it would shut your car down into limp if you hit that. If you're on a stock turbo how the hell are you seeing 21psi? Meth??

I've just seen a lot of things in this forum over the years and I just need some clarification I guess. :

i thought the same exact thing. If he drives it like that when broken and knowing it wasnt running right, I would love to see how its driven when running well!

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by Eternal

i thought the same exact thing. If he drives it like that when broken and knowing it wasnt running right, I would love to see how its driven when running well!

I'm just way too suspicious to things he's describing...
Something ALOT more is at play here than meets the eye.

Hardware store for an automotive metric M8x25 with an E socket fastener or even more rare if it's main oil housing M8x28-M8x43-M8x78 ( for a foreign car at that) common man. How are you so sure and know the motor is seized up but you don't know where the BMS Bluetooth module is located?

Which gasket was changed?
11428637821 or 11428637820?

21psi statement is a dead giveaway IMO.

[torkles]

modern engines running modern oil don't seize after being without oil for a couple of minutes. there's something else going on here.... actually there are probably several things going on here based on the crazy description of what happened lol