[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by matt_320d

Tend to agree with the concept of a "fair tax" - that is, taxing people at point of consumption, not point of production.

If we literally scrapped ALL tax in favour of a high rate of VAT on a wider range of goods and services, then we would massively simplify tax. That would save an enormous amount of admin.

Imagine getting your pay slip and knowing every single penny was yours to keep (or spend)

But this would proportionally affect the poor more than the rich due to having to use a higher proportion of their income on buying things.

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Originally Posted by matt_320d

Tend to agree with the concept of a "fair tax" - that is, taxing people at point of consumption, not point of production.

If we literally scrapped ALL tax in favour of a high rate of VAT on a wider range of goods and services, then we would massively simplify tax. That would save an enormous amount of admin.

Imagine getting your pay slip and knowing every single penny was yours to keep (or spend)

That would cripple young families and and the country would not make sufficient Tax throughout the year.

Imagine being low paid, just married and having huge tax bills just to get house stuff, clothes etc.

Then an older couple, worked way up salary, loads tax free wages, however don't need much for house.

I prefer two tier VAT and more toll roads,.

Anyone found with off shore account pays 40% tax on all monies invested since opening account.

[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Anyone found with off shore account pays 40% tax on all monies invested since opening account.

lol why?

[MarkG_M5Comp]

Originally Posted by JD6

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You might have a different perspective if you got off your arse and worked for a living.

Possibly one of my favourite ever remarks on this forum.

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Originally Posted by jusdorange

lol why?

Because that is money not being used or taxed to support the country being lived in.

It's a step away from organised crime and other low life's.

[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by MarkG335

Possibly one of my favourite ever remarks on this forum.

some of us can debate a point without personal remarks ..

irregardless of my personal finances/position the point remains

how will raising fuel duty solve the problems he wants iradicating?

[MarkG_M5Comp]

Originally Posted by jusdorange

some of us can debate a point without personal remarks ..

irregardless of my personal finances/position the point remains

how will raising fuel duty solve the problems he wants iradicating?

I do hope you're not having a pop at me....

Franky I care very little as taxation is not what I come on here to discuss, I just found it an amusing comment. It has nothing to do with who is was or was not directed at, just very apt for the world we live in today.

[Frosticles]

Originally Posted by Dave_3

SNAP. Me too. Can't beat an RS2000. Great, fun car - every drive out is an event.

And also doing a bare metal rebuild of my MK1 Capri. Had it for about 30 years, and tucked it away in a couple of sheds for about 15 years. Slowly coming back to life. Pic below as dug out - and what I am aiming for.

D.

A lovely choice Dave. always wanted a MK1 Capri. (RS3100) but when I was looking, not one was for sale

[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by MarkG335

I do hope you're not having a pop at me....

Franky I care very little as taxation is not what I come on here to discuss, I just found it an amusing comment. It has nothing to do with who is was or was not directed at, just very apt for the world we live in today.

no not you lol I like you

I just meant, I was siding with him in that, I see his point, I was just highlighting his methods wouldn't work

but I didn't start the tax talk ANYWAY !!!

I've been driving the Range Rover Sport Autobiography V8 a lot lately

very luxurious , love the digital dash, don't like being so high up but comfy

certainly consider as a 2nd car

[MarkG_M5Comp]

Originally Posted by jusdorange

no not you lol I like you

I just meant, I was siding with him in that, I see his point, I was just highlighting his methods wouldn't work

but I didn't start the tax talk ANYWAY !!!

I've been driving the Range Rover Sport Autobiography V8 a lot lately

very luxurious , love the digital dash, don't like being so high up but comfy

certainly consider as a 2nd car

Haha, OK

[JD6]

Originally Posted by jusdorange

some of us can debate a point without personal remarks ..

irregardless of my personal finances/position the point remains

how will raising fuel duty solve the problems he wants iradicating?

It was a bit of a cheap shot. I apologise.

My underlying point was that the UK black market is worth about £150bn, around 10% of GDP. It is a far greater proportion in the 'Club Med' countries, but it is still a real problem here. That activity is entirely untaxed, and could almost solve the deficit if you could tax it.

It is extremely complicated, intrusive, expensive, and likely to fail if you do it directly, so instead you need to go after consumption. Increasing Fuel duty and VAT costs nothing at all in expenses - the framework is already there and you are simply changing the rate. It is also very hard to avoid.

I accept that there are problems with it, and it is regressive by nature, but with other tax levels adjusted accordingly, such as a raised personal allowance, it has the effect of taxing the black market.

I'm realistic enough to know that no politician will try it. On the general matter of aggressive tax avoidance, it is becoming increasingly socially unacceptable which is a positive move.

[jusdorange]

I wasn't offended just it was vastly off topic / irrelevant

just focus on the numbers

1. how much would you raise fuel duty by?
2. what allowances/restrictions would you impose ?

for example , will business such as tesco pay same level? That will raise food prices

would rural people pay less? how would you enforce this? what's to stop me filling up at a countryside 20 miles away?

3. if you reduce income tax, would fuel duty alone cover that?

4. if people stop driving less as a result , what then?

I have many points, but it should illustrate it's not so simple

Also the black / grey market often props up other legitimate businesses

if you tax these people , you might find you lose jobs ...

you'd be better off getting the government to spend what they do collect more wisely

[JD6]

It clearly isn't something that can be done on the back of an envelope, but should be a direction of travel in my view.

I will leave it there as we are nowhere near the topic.

[jusdorange]

good good

my other suggestion is a Decatted Enzo

What a noise <3

[matk]

Originally Posted by F30Andy

Sorry meant 750.

What's the CBR like weight wise compared to the R6?

Never had a go on a CBR.

I really could not tell you mate. One thing i do know is that the r6 is more track focused but the CBR is a sports tourer but closer to sport than touring if you get what i mean. Mine essentially is a hornet with fairings on tho as its the 2011 model fab. Its good for me tho as its quite forgiving as its my first newish bike!

[GBR1]

So, slightly back in to the OP topic. I sent my local dealer an email today with an effective letter of intent for one of these.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-...man-yet-spied/

I really miss my Cayman S Black Editon and this just sounds to epic to miss out on, details are being revealed in Feb 2015. When I get back from work travels I will try and get a deposit down.

I think this will be an awesome car to compliment the 330d touring!!

GBR1

[chiark]

Timely thread.

I've just bought this . Officially my second mid life crisis after the 911 I had before the 330D


Light, RWD, not a lot of torque or power, not nearly as fast as the 330D... No ABS, no servo on the brakes, no traction control, no power steering.

But by gum is it a LOT of fun.

[Notechy]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

So under the assumption that most people viewing this forum already have a 3 or 4 series, I wondered what one car people would choose to have alongside their 3 series?

!

Just caught up with this thread which is now in a rather deteriorated state!

What second car? My 335d Touring was chosen because it does very well everything I need!

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by chiark

Timely thread.

I've just bought this . Officially my second mid life crisis after the 911 I had before the 330D
Attachment 1110830

Light, RWD, not a lot of torque or power, not nearly as fast as the 330D... No ABS, no servo on the brakes, no traction control, no power steering.

But by gum is it a LOT of fun.

I think that's a perfect complement!

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Notechy

Just caught up with this thread which is now in a rather deteriorated state!

What second car? My 335d Touring was chosen because it does very well everything I need!

I agree it's a great all rounder. Just not sure if I'd use it for the occasional track day or weekend in the mountains!

[Paular]

Originally Posted by Frosticles

To compliment my Touring M Sport I have a Ford escort MK1 RS2000 Custom Pack. RWD, Cool Tax free fun
1974 Ford Escort MK1 RS2000 Custom Pack. by kevaruka, on Flickr

Fantastic.
Very , Very cool

[Paular]

My weekend toy/money pit.









Million miles away from standard, and still needs some suspension work, but it`s a complete hoot and sounds bonkers with VR6/SHRICK/Intake/decat combo.