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      08-22-2020, 01:01 PM   #67
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If buying used outside the dealer network while still in warranty period or wanting to extend you'd need to run the car through a main dealer first or download ISTA+ and check yourself with Enet cable and windows laptop.
You still can't connect to Germany to compare so ista at home won't flag anything
I get flagging remaps and xhp which has taken bmw along time to implement quick detection. The vag group have been detecting remaps for ages but they don't void warranty for coding changed with vagcom so don't get bmw stance on this. If you brick your car when coding it's your fault but say I changed my start up logo and then 6months later the idrive failed I can be sure 100% the coding change is not the cause.
My car is older than 3 years so not an issue for me but the previous owner had made changes as it was not showing disclaimers and when it went in for the egr recall the dealer didn't mention anything
Flashed mine with MHD and checked ISTA to see the date of programming on the DME had updated.
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If buying used outside the dealer network while still in warranty period or wanting to extend you'd need to run the car through a main dealer first or download ISTA+ and check yourself with Enet cable and windows laptop.
You still can't connect to Germany to compare so ista at home won't flag anything
I get flagging remaps and xhp which has taken bmw along time to implement quick detection. The vag group have been detecting remaps for ages but they don't void warranty for coding changed with vagcom so don't get bmw stance on this. If you brick your car when coding it's your fault but say I changed my start up logo and then 6months later the idrive failed I can be sure 100% the coding change is not the cause.
My car is older than 3 years so not an issue for me but the previous owner had made changes as it was not showing disclaimers and when it went in for the egr recall the dealer didn't mention anything
Flashed mine with MHD and checked ISTA to see the date of programming on the DME had updated.
Do coding changes also change the flashed date?
If you bought from a 3rd party you still won't know if bmw or the previous owner flashed a module so only comparing against bmw records would allow you to be 100% sure
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Do coding changes also change the flashed date?
If you bought from a 3rd party you still won't know if bmw or the previous owner flashed a module so only comparing against bmw records would allow you to be 100% sure
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If buying used outside the dealer network while still in warranty period or wanting to extend you'd need to run the car through a main dealer first or download ISTA+ and check yourself with Enet cable and windows laptop.
You still can't connect to Germany to compare so ista at home won't flag anything
I get flagging remaps and xhp which has taken bmw along time to implement quick detection. The vag group have been detecting remaps for ages but they don't void warranty for coding changed with vagcom so don't get bmw stance on this. If you brick your car when coding it's your fault but say I changed my start up logo and then 6months later the idrive failed I can be sure 100% the coding change is not the cause.
My car is older than 3 years so not an issue for me but the previous owner had made changes as it was not showing disclaimers and when it went in for the egr recall the dealer didn't mention anything
Flashed mine with MHD and checked ISTA to see the date of programming on the DME had updated.
Do coding changes also change the flashed date?
If you bought from a 3rd party you still won't know if bmw or the previous owner flashed a module so only comparing against bmw records would allow you to be 100% sure
Like you say, not 100% accurate but gives a good indication when you compare to service history records.
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Car is booked in for the full reset & updates on Wed. Should sort the coding issues and will be all back to being no problems in terms of warranty going forward. Think the £550 capped cost is a fair enough cop as it has been discounted and it's a potentially long winded process for them.

Think it makes sense going forward as I plan on keeping it a bit longer Oct will be 2yrs and it's still low mileage for year as I got it AUC @ 3yrs with 18k on the clock (which I got a good deal on from where they started on it, before I cancelled the good for me cash but a very good for them PCP deal & then paid the new negotiated sticker price cash) plus I've had 2 yrs service cost free motoring apart from tyres thanks to its service pack that was still remaining. Plus with the options on it there's a fair bit of electrical equipment to potential to go wrong on it so going forward without the warranty cover would be a gamble I wouldn't chance.

Some probably think I'm bonkers but it's peace of mind yes you can get things done cheaper at specialists but they usually shy away if it's something big & warranty is a bit of a hard fight (been there/done that with VW) and with a good service manager some price matching and then BMWCCGB member discount ontop the minimal savings I might make after that are not really worth it going to an specialist/indie.
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Car is booked in for the full reset & updates on Wed. Should sort the coding issues and will be all back to being no problems in terms of warranty going forward. Think the £550 capped cost is a fair enough cop as it has been discounted and it's a potentially long winded process for them.

Think it makes sense going forward as I plan on keeping it a bit longer Oct will be 2yrs and it's still low mileage for year as I got it AUC @ 3yrs with 18k on the clock (which I got a good deal on from where they started on it, before I cancelled the good for me cash but a very good for them PCP deal & then paid the new negotiated sticker price cash) plus I've had 2 yrs service cost free motoring apart from tyres thanks to its service pack that was still remaining. Plus with the options on it there's a fair bit of electrical equipment to potential to go wrong on it so going forward without the warranty cover would be a gamble I wouldn't chance.

Some probably think I'm bonkers but it's peace of mind yes you can get things done cheaper at specialists but they usually shy away if it's something big & warranty is a bit of a hard fight (been there/done that with VW) and with a good service manager some price matching and then BMWCCGB member discount ontop the minimal savings I might make after that are not really worth it going to an specialist/indie.
Apologies if I missed it but is your car on pcp as I’m interested to know if they informed BMW FS of your ‘mods’ (or could in the future) and any consequences that could have happened as a result of that?

We know there was the ‘influencer’ on your tube that had his agreement cancelled and had to stump up for the car as it was modified so wondering if the same applies in your case?

Yes these are very different circumstances where mapping a car isn’t the same as changing a few pieces of code but if BMW are drawing up the battle lines then this will be a concern to a lot of people!
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Car is booked in for the full reset & updates on Wed. Should sort the coding issues and will be all back to being no problems in terms of warranty going forward. Think the £550 capped cost is a fair enough cop as it has been discounted and it's a potentially long winded process for them.

Think it makes sense going forward as I plan on keeping it a bit longer Oct will be 2yrs and it's still low mileage for year as I got it AUC @ 3yrs with 18k on the clock (which I got a good deal on from where they started on it, before I cancelled the good for me cash but a very good for them PCP deal & then paid the new negotiated sticker price cash) plus I've had 2 yrs service cost free motoring apart from tyres thanks to its service pack that was still remaining. Plus with the options on it there's a fair bit of electrical equipment to potential to go wrong on it so going forward without the warranty cover would be a gamble I wouldn't chance.

Some probably think I'm bonkers but it's peace of mind yes you can get things done cheaper at specialists but they usually shy away if it's something big & warranty is a bit of a hard fight (been there/done that with VW) and with a good service manager some price matching and then BMWCCGB member discount ontop the minimal savings I might make after that are not really worth it going to an specialist/indie.
Apologies if I missed it but is your car on pcp as I’m interested to know if they informed BMW FS of your ‘mods’ (or could in the future) and any consequences that could have happened as a result of that?

We know there was the ‘influencer’ on your tube that had his agreement cancelled and had to stump up for the car as it was modified so wondering if the same applies in your case?

Yes these are very different circumstances where mapping a car isn’t the same as changing a few pieces of code but if BMW are drawing up the battle lines then this will be a concern to a lot of people!
No my car wasn't on PCP when this was found.

I only have ever had a PCP agreement in place when purchasing, that is only to get a deal going and fully negotiated and then after a few days I cancel paying the balance in cash + the days it was on the PCP's interest.

Did this on my E91 & current F31

Got a good deal for me & what they thought was a good deal for them until I pulled. It's the only way to buy New or AUC as if they don't think there's something for them to work with you can't even talk anything but sticker price.

As I'm not in the situation, I don't know what would have happened with my case and BMWFS. I do know that if left as is or the option I've been allowed to take by BMW had not been granted, come my Warranty & Assistance renewal in October I would have been faced with Driveline only with an electrical blacklisting but again it could have been Allianz discretionary.
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Well this has me concerned-ish.

My car's due for its "final warranty check" before the warranty runs out in Sept/Nov, but I've replaced the mirrors with electric folding ones and coded them to fold when I lock the car.

I wonder whether to revert the car to stock before taking it in... Then again, I have no intention of renewing the warranty. Risky I know...

It's on PCP though, so there could be an issue there with the mod.

Also have ACS springs, I assume they're fine with those kinds of mods still?
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What set me off down the investigatory path in regards to finance was this: https://www.fordownersclub.com/forum...ance/#comments

I've seen a couple of comments along my travels, weirdest thing is they are manufacturer approved parts with their own insurance codes backed by Ford and installed by dealers but it seems their own finance company isn't exactly on board with it.

By that logic MPPSK isn't covered never mind anything else, from searching around I have found zero information on the subject. Whether BMW FS care or not remains a mystery even though their clauses state no mods full stop.

I will contact BMW FS but dependant on the customer care assistant you may get different answers (even though there will be a set policy somewhere). Personally it's not a massive deal, wait half a year, make sure the car is fine, buy it and do whatever I want.

Although whilst the warranty is in play I'd like to consider AC Schnitzer and let the contract role for a bit longer.
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I pick it up sometime today it went in at 8am yesterday the system flash by Germany had been completed by 1:30ish then it was software etc being put on for the rest of the day by 4pm I was told there's a hard ware issue with the camera as one of the techs noticed the lens was misaligned (maybe the initial fault that on checking opened this Pandora's box) so because it has an open warranty claim which it can now the service manager has said everything on the car is going to be checked and if its able to it will be changed out on the open claim with the one excess charge, getting a call at 10 to confirm pick up time. Will post back all I know when I have all the info etc later
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I pick it up sometime today it went in at 8am yesterday the system flash by Germany had been completed by 1:30ish then it was software etc being put on for the rest of the day by 4pm I was told there's a hard ware issue with the camera as one of the techs noticed the lens was misaligned (maybe the initial fault that on checking opened this Pandora's box) so because it has an open warranty claim which it can now the service manager has said everything on the car is going to be checked and if its able to it will be changed out on the open claim with the one excess charge, getting a call at 10 to confirm pick up time. Will post back all I know when I have all the info etc later
So like everyone knew the coding didnt cause the camera issue....

What a pain in the arse!
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I pick it up sometime today it went in at 8am yesterday the system flash by Germany had been completed by 1:30ish then it was software etc being put on for the rest of the day by 4pm I was told there's a hard ware issue with the camera as one of the techs noticed the lens was misaligned (maybe the initial fault that on checking opened this Pandora's box) so because it has an open warranty claim which it can now the service manager has said everything on the car is going to be checked and if its able to it will be changed out on the open claim with the one excess charge, getting a call at 10 to confirm pick up time. Will post back all I know when I have all the info etc later
So like everyone knew the coding didnt cause the camera issue....

What a pain in the arse!
Well tell me something new!

No as we all knew the coding did not cause the camera issue and why would it there was no coding done to the camera.

The problem as highlighted in my initial post for concern over bimmcode/bimmerlink was when it was plugged into the system at the time it went in for my brake service & reporting of the fault of the camera.

Issues with the software were found (only non dealership access has been with bimmercode/bimmerlink) with my vehicle which pulled up a tamper warning which totally voided my warranty (all electrical items) going forward.

I was advised to maintain my warranty the question of a reset would be raised with BMW to see if they would oblige which they do not have to do and do not do for every customer.

I went with the reset option (with a strict one off payment clause and a guarantee that all software & firmware throughout the whole car was updated) and I am glad I did as I have had a full rear camera system replaced under the reinstated warranty as well as a pre & post CAT O2 sensors.

I picked the car up just over 1hr ago and it feels totally different with the O2 sensors replaced it feels a lot more responsive (but it should they had intermittent reporting errors), the ZF8 seams surprisingly (as it was brilliant to start with) to be shifting faster and smoother especially in sport/sport+ modes and the engine just seems to be more awake now this might be the sensors or it could be the latest software/firmware but it just seems to have more pull and want to be pushed.

Yes it was not a cheap option a capped bill to pay of £550 for the factory reset (over £220 ex vat of which was just the reset code from Germany) then there was a factory labour charge & then a UK dealership charge capped at 2.5hrs. The car was hooked up a total of 8.5hrs during the process that's before the UK techs could get into check it through and code their end of the process.

I then had a £250 excess to pay on my warranty for the full rear camera system & the O2 sensors.

All in the service manager covid hand shook at £700 dead as he discounted back a bit off my last bill due to them not sorting the camera first time & he would factor the rest of the discount. Approx £50 discounted off.

End of the day it's a costly mistake I decided to take on the chin and in the wallet. But it could be financially worse without the electrical warranty going forward & then with that part of the warranty void and Allianz knowing I ran the risk of them pulling the plug on any form of driveline warranty as it would all have been at their discretion which I would have been facing in October come renewal time.

As always you take your chances (I have done many a time) and you pays your bill, sometimes it pays off or it doesn't and you pay for it.

As I own my car out right I don't know how any of this would have panned out with BMW Financial Services going forward but I guess like BMW doing the reset or Allianz allowing any form of warranty on non electrical it would have been at their discretion with only your service manager being the one to argue your case.

All just food for thought for any of us going forward, I have been warned with some financial burning. As the service manager said as I left I was very lucky and others have been too, but then some have been left properly up shit creek without a paddle. It's only going to get worse as in house manufacturer detection becomes stricter & harder to work around.
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"What all did you have coded and what was up with the camera alignment?"

This was an odd result they felt there had been at some point towbar coding on the car (3rd Party) and it had developed an alignment fault in the camera, yet there was no towbar coding present only traces and no towbar option on idrive camera screen. They also think the car has had a minor rear end non BMW repaired bump prior to first owner hand back and me purchasing it from BMW AUC.

Seems the returning dealer did not fully check car on hand back and there are failures in the hand back process of cars to BMW prior to AUC sales. Not surprising when you see on here how many are modding (Mapping & coding) in BMW Financial Services Agreements & then reverting back to standard prior to handover, these deep code checks could be a total time bomb for many unexpecting AUC owners or Handback owners.
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Well this has me concerned-ish.

My car's due for its "final warranty check" before the warranty runs out in Sept/Nov, but I've replaced the mirrors with electric folding ones and coded them to fold when I lock the car.

I wonder whether to revert the car to stock before taking it in... Then again, I have no intention of renewing the warranty. Risky I know...

It's on PCP though, so there could be an issue there with the mod.

Also have ACS springs, I assume they're fine with those kinds of mods still?
The risk of not reverting to stock is...if an issue is found during the inspection BMW may not cover it due to the modifications. But if the car is running well with no fault codes stored then the above risk is minimal.
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Well this has me concerned-ish.

My car's due for its "final warranty check" before the warranty runs out in Sept/Nov, but I've replaced the mirrors with electric folding ones and coded them to fold when I lock the car.

I wonder whether to revert the car to stock before taking it in... Then again, I have no intention of renewing the warranty. Risky I know...

It's on PCP though, so there could be an issue there with the mod.

Also have ACS springs, I assume they're fine with those kinds of mods still?
The risk of not reverting to stock is...if an issue is found during the inspection BMW may not cover it due to the modifications. But if the car is running well with no fault codes stored then the above risk is minimal.
The other risk as I found out is if they plug it in to scan the cars full system and it flags to them a list of "tampered" codes working or not if these flag up you may find they could blacklist from warranty (electrical) then going forward you could find BMW won't grant a full reboot to reset and allow for a warranty again or if left you could find out Allianz have been told via BMW of the electrical blacklisting and then decide at their discretion to not even offer a driveline warranty.
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"What all did you have coded and what was up with the camera alignment?"

This was an odd result they felt there had been at some point towbar coding on the car (3rd Party) and it had developed an alignment fault in the camera, yet there was no towbar coding present only traces and no towbar option on idrive camera screen. They also think the car has had a minor rear end non BMW repaired bump prior to first owner hand back and me purchasing it from BMW AUC.

Seems the returning dealer did not fully check car on hand back and there are failures in the hand back process of cars to BMW prior to AUC sales. Not surprising when you see on here how many are modding (Mapping & coding) in BMW Financial Services Agreements & then reverting back to standard prior to handover, these deep code checks could be a total time bomb for many unexpecting AUC owners or Handback owners.
I would've been playing the dumb man and saying it must of been the person before!

Hindsight and all... like you said you have your justifications for why you went your route which is fine, its your car and your money. I personally if my car was near the end of its warranty would've been going down the told you so route and refusing to pay now they have done all the evidence proving you'd need... But thats 2 different scenarios
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"What all did you have coded and what was up with the camera alignment?"

This was an odd result they felt there had been at some point towbar coding on the car (3rd Party) and it had developed an alignment fault in the camera, yet there was no towbar coding present only traces and no towbar option on idrive camera screen. They also think the car has had a minor rear end non BMW repaired bump prior to first owner hand back and me purchasing it from BMW AUC.

Seems the returning dealer did not fully check car on hand back and there are failures in the hand back process of cars to BMW prior to AUC sales. Not surprising when you see on here how many are modding (Mapping & coding) in BMW Financial Services Agreements & then reverting back to standard prior to handover, these deep code checks could be a total time bomb for many unexpecting AUC owners or Handback owners.
I would've been playing the dumb man and saying it must of been the person before!

Hindsight and all... like you said you have your justifications for why you went your route which is fine, its your car and your money. I personally if my car was near the end of its warranty would've been going down the told you so route and refusing to pay now they have done all the evidence proving you'd need... But thats 2 different scenarios
With the camera that is exactly what I did but there was no dumb playing as I genuinely did not know, about the possibility of a previous rear bump on my vehicle or towbar (there isn't one fitted & idrive screen didn't have the hookup view option to view) I have gone back to both the AUC dealership who are playing the dumb man on it and have also gone back to the supplying & return from lease dealerships for information.

The service manager is raising this & the workshop findings with BMWUK and I will be contacting with my findings from the other dealerships on receipt. It's all a game of one word against the other but hoping with the follow up I will be able to get the £250 warranty excess charge back from BMW.

Car is also only just ticked over 40k and will be kept a few more years so I want it covered by a warranty for peace of mind.
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Was this bmw extended warranty? If it was it might be better to get a 3rd party warranty as they are less likely to care about coding changes.
Still find it very harsh that bmw made you go through coding reset when the issue you had wasn't even related in any way

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Was this bmw extended warranty? If it was it might be better to get a 3rd party warranty as they are less likely to care about coding changes.
Still find it very harsh that bmw made you go through coding reset when the issue you had wasn't even related in any way

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Yes was BMW extended warranty.

Surely any warranty company would be made aware of the "tampered" coding by BMW in the event of a claim going through to them. Surely if it came to light you knew and took out the cover to deceive you would be committing insurance fraud as these are "insured warranty" products, you would be in the same boat as if you have a smash and mods are not fully declared to your car insurer & they pull the plug leaving you not covered and liable to all costs.
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      08-27-2020, 10:57 AM   #86
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Most 3rd party warranties do not cover idrive, HUD, cameras etc. This why I always go for BMW Extended Warranty.

Presumably BMW know when the car was coded from the logs, so playing dumb and blaming it on the previous owner I don't think will end well?
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Most 3rd party warranties do not cover idrive, HUD, cameras etc. This why I always go for BMW Extended Warranty.

Presumably BMW know when the car was coded from the logs, so playing dumb and blaming it on the previous owner I don't think will end well?
Now I was told all of these logs are not date or event specific so could it would not be determinable by the dealership to find out specific dates/time's (Munich on the other hand possibly could but they couldn't confirm) when any tampering took place their system just came up with tampered code logs, (you are in a world of your word against theirs) just that their system had pulled up "tampered" coding and as such the vehicle would be electrical equipment black listed for any warranty claims (fine if your happy to go ahead and happy if something to pay out for any big bills like a full idrive system replacement etc)

There was no going route forward or around the coding issue without the reset to allow for the car to be covered by a BMW warranty so that was why I had it done.

The camera is the issue that caused them to also find this coding problem. We all knew was hardware related but now with the findings I might have grounds to pursue an excess refund through BMW.

If I had not gone with the reset my camera bill would have been over £200 for the camera alone let alone labour & wiring harness costs then I would have no grounds to try and get my excess charge for less than the job back or have a car I could fully warranty going forward.
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I don’t understand why the dealers don’t offer coding services. Easy money for them surely?

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