[50shadesofhockenheim]

Originally Posted by doodlebro

I'm not sure what OP is on about. I have PWG in my X3 and if I ever need to make more power up top, I'd just go PS2 and be done with it.

The N55 with PWG is a very well balanced engine. If you wanted power headroom you should have gone with an N54 due to the forged internals & dual turbo setup.

I'm going to have a hard time justifying that much power though. 400 whp on an X3 is wicked fast and plenty to have fun with on public roads, as well as on the track.

lol so upgrade the part that the whole thread is about.. proves my point

[harkes]

PWG has a small turbo that fit the factory power output perfectly - so isn't it obvious that you need a bigger turbo for more power? I still don't see how you can be so surprised. Every single engine on the planet need a turbo upgrade for a significant power increase.

[50shadesofhockenheim]

Originally Posted by harkes

PWG has a small turbo that fit the factory power output perfectly - so isn't it obvious that you need a bigger turbo for more power? I still don't see how you can be so surprised. Every single engine on the planet need a turbo upgrade for a significant power increase.

Well this thread went right over your head

[akgambino]

Originally Posted by E90 LCI

Wow so many people with PWG in denial ITT... lol. And no.. the dyno shows the same car on 2 different runs, have you never seen a dyno sheet before?

Granted he EWG is on BM3 and PWG is on jb4, the torque/hp curve should paint you a clear picture

EWG:


PWG:




EWG from peak hp at 5.5k rpm (413whp) to 7k (~380whp) = 33whp drop from the peak

PWG from peak hp at 5250 RPM (397whp) to 7k (~320whp) = 77whp drop


EWG from peak tq at ~3250 RPM (448wtq) to 5250 RPM (~410wtq) = 38wtq drop

PWG from peak tq at ~3k RPM (471wtq) to 5250 RPM (~400wtq) = 71wtq drop

PWG is all downhill after 5.5k RPM while EWG is strong all the way through the pull

Thanks for clarifying, your previous post made it sound like maybe you were referring to delta in peak hp.

Have fun complaining about your car

[50shadesofhockenheim]

Originally Posted by akgambino

Thanks for clarifying, your previous post made it sound like maybe you were referring to delta in peak hp.

Have fun complaining about your car

I was trying to have fun with other PWG owners but they all got their panties in a knot. No one posted any funny reaction pictures like the thread requested

[doodlebro]

OP just sounds butthurt that he's lost one or two too many roll races.

Again, it's hard to justify 500+ whp on a car when mods to chassis & brakes are higher bang for the buck.

Nobody is arguing with the difference between EWG and PWG, I would just say that some of us have realized that it's not worth getting your panties in a bunch for. Plus, a 40 whp difference peak to redline is easily made up by better driving anyways.

Having a fast straight-line car isn't important to those of us who are doing bigger things with our cars.

[50shadesofhockenheim]

Originally Posted by doodlebro

OP just sounds butthurt that he's lost one or two too many roll races.

Again, it's hard to justify 500+ whp on a car when mods to chassis & brakes are higher bang for the buck.

Nobody is arguing with the difference between EWG and PWG, I would just say that some of us have realized that it's not worth getting your panties in a bunch for. Plus, a 40 whp difference peak to redline is easily made up by better driving anyways.

Having a fast straight-line car isn't important to those of us who are doing bigger things with our cars.

I wasn't trying to start an argument. Look at the original post, it was supposed to be funny, there's a crying frog meme for fucks sake.

It's everyone else who started arguing and trying to justify why PWG isn't bad

[zole2112]

I thought WOOOOOOHOOOOOO E85 here I come!!

[badbread]

See the link in my sig for my puny PWG results... PWG's absolutely suck up top, no question about it. Whether that's a bad thing or not is up to you, I'm plenty happy with mine, especially in auto-x.

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[Logicoeur]

I don't think anyone is refuting that you get more power from an EWG. What I wanted to point out is that there will always be something with more power, or something that people will think is "better", so why fret?

[zinner]

Originally Posted by bradsm87

Only because the turbo is capable of flowing less. That's not a good thing.

Yeah and the N55 EWG flows less than the B58.

[Logicoeur]

Originally Posted by zinner

Yeah and the N55 EWG flows less than the B58.

Lol. Post your reaction when you realized you bought an N55 instead of a B58.

[50shadesofhockenheim]

Originally Posted by badbread

See the link in my sig for my puny PWG results... PWG's absolutely suck up top, no question about it. Whether that's a bad thing or not is up to you, I'm plenty happy with mine, especially in auto-x.

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Lmfao classic gif. Love it. It's like "eh it won't be that bad it'll still make decent power. Fuck who am I kidding I'm definitely gonna have to shell out for a bigger turbo"

[akgambino]

Originally Posted by E90 LCI

Lmfao classic gif. Love it. It's like "eh it won't be that bad it'll still make decent power. Fuck who am I kidding I'm definitely gonna have to shell out for a bigger turbo"

Lol! Yup that is the perfect gif for that!

You considered pure stage 1 or just go straight to ps2?

[doodlebro]

Originally Posted by E90 LCI

I wasn't trying to start an argument. Look at the original post, it was supposed to be funny, there's a crying frog meme for fucks sake.

It's everyone else who started arguing and trying to justify why PWG isn't bad

Nobody is arguing or justifying anything to you. You're just seeing that there are different opinions surrounding this.

Cool your jets, no need to get worked up because you're learning not everyone needs to have the fastest car on the block.

[bradsm87]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

Again, obviously you didn’t research it “very well” as you came up with incorrect information.

Obviously the correct info was available as I listed it in an ad on this site in July.

I bought my car in March. As I said, there isn't even a listing of a PWG turbo for my car on RealOEM, only EWG. Also the dates on your little chart only apply to USA models. 5 series had PWG right to end of production in 2017 for Euro 5 countries for example. There are SO many variables.

[jgoens]

Why isn't the the car by OP listed for sale yet? Anybody answer that? Shoot, if I was plagued and started a troll thread, for sure I would put my car up for sale immediately and let someone else take that plague off my hands and take a loss.

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by zinner

Yeah and the N55 EWG flows less than the B58.

Yep a little frustrated till I read the timing chain and vanos in the B58 face the fire wall (Means you have to pull the engine to service them) which made me feel a bit more content with trade off of having a less efficient turbo setup in my 2k15 335!

If I had pwg there is no question I would go PS1 or Bigger turbo kit with another company putting out better turbochargers with manifold upgrade which is coming very very soon 450 and 500whp for pwg and ewg guys.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by ceedawg

Yep a little frustrated till I read the timing chain and vanos in the B58 face the fire wall (Means you have to pull the engine to service them) which made me feel a bit more content with trade off of having a less efficient turbo setup in my 2k15 335!

If I had pwg there is no question I would go PS1 or Bigger turbo kit with another company putting out better turbochargers with manifold upgrade which is coming very very soon 450 and 500whp for pwg and ewg guys.

VTT already missed their dates for even the end of Q2 PWG and they are still a LONG way off.

“Very very soon” only if you are looking at perspective on the Century level as his history on other projects suggest it might well be the next Decade (2020).

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

VTT already missed their dates for even the end of Q2 PWG and they are still a LONG way off.

“Very very soon” only if you are looking at perspective on the Century level as his history on other projects suggest it might well be the next Decade (2020).

:

AA is coming out with a kit as well as per David at AA. Mentioned towards the end of the quarter. This was recently.

[Dheeth-G80]

Originally Posted by jh_f30

Do research pre-purchase? For me, "meh..." I'd rather be happy with what I've got while I've got it. Not worth worrying about because it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the car.

I have the same car as you, did you dyno your car? how much are you pushing to the wheels any idea?

[MTWO]

Should have seen my cousin’s face when I told him his car was PWG lmao at first he had no idea wth I was talking about, and then I showed him some dynos LOLLL