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      03-16-2019, 12:02 PM   #1
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Question about demo vehicles

Looking at a used 2018 440i with 11k miles
dealer said it was an executive demo used at South Carolina facilities.
When I asked why it wasn't certified he said those cars cannot be certified.
Carfax shows it as a 1yr lease vehicle. Salesman said BMW basically leases it to themself for those demo Cars.

Does this all sound right?
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My car was an executive car and it is CPO. Carfax does not show a lease. In order to be CPO, the car has to meet some requirements.
See https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=57
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This was likely a car used at the BMW Perfomance Center. The performance center offers customers who buy new bmws the opportunity to try an identical car to the one they purchased, on the track. The track cars get used heavily and cannot be certified due to the heavy use they receive. While I cannot be certain that your listing is a PCD car, its location and inability to be certified would make me nervous. Hope this helps!

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This was likely a car used at the BMW Perfomance Center. The performance center offers customers who buy new bmws the opportunity to try an identical car to the one they purchased, on the track. The track cars get used heavily and cannot be certified due to the heavy use they receive. While I cannot be certain that your listing is a PCD car, it’s location and inability to be certified would make me nervous. Hope this helps!

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if this is the case sounds like I should try and push for more discount to afford extended warranty maybe.
Being tracked doesn't overly worry me. I've read engineers blamed N63 engine issues somewhat on cars not being driven hard enough. Different engine of course though.
it's around 20k off original msrp so I think it's a decent deal if I can get more off being it's non CPO.
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Looking at a used 2018 440i with 11k miles
dealer said it was an executive demo used at South Carolina facilities.
When I asked why it wasn't certified he said those cars cannot be certified.
Carfax shows it as a 1yr lease vehicle. Salesman said BMW basically leases it to themself for those demo Cars.

Does this all sound right?
Perhaps it is not really considered “Pre-owned” by BMW since it was only used by an employee. I leased an executive demo X5 and it only had the normal factory warranty and was not a CPO. It had 6500 miles on it. It would not bother me at all as long as it had the factory warranty...which it does. The CPO warranty is not the greatest anyway. Better than nothing, but it has a lot of exclusions.
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Looking at a used 2018 440i with 11k miles
dealer said it was an executive demo used at South Carolina facilities.
When I asked why it wasn't certified he said those cars cannot be certified.
Carfax shows it as a 1yr lease vehicle. Salesman said BMW basically leases it to themself for those demo Cars.

Does this all sound right?
There is another thread here with a similar discussion. That car was almost $20,000 off IIRC. If the price is right, I'd jump on it.
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Looking at a used 2018 440i with 11k miles
dealer said it was an executive demo used at South Carolina facilities.
When I asked why it wasn't certified he said those cars cannot be certified.
Carfax shows it as a 1yr lease vehicle. Salesman said BMW basically leases it to themself for those demo Cars.

Does this all sound right?
If you wanna post the link to the car and the CARFAX we can probably confirm some of the information you been told. Executive demos absolutely can be CPO’d.
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Looking at a used 2018 440i with 11k miles
dealer said it was an executive demo used at South Carolina facilities.
When I asked why it wasn't certified he said those cars cannot be certified.
Carfax shows it as a 1yr lease vehicle. Salesman said BMW basically leases it to themself for those demo Cars.

Does this all sound right?
If you wanna post the link to the car and the CARFAX we can probably confirm some of the information you been told. Executive demos absolutely can be CPO’d.
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...#38;source=BUP

https://www.unitedbmw.com/detail-201...-18573118.html
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The pricing is in line with it being an executive demo. While I would agree that the CPO isn’t an absolute deal breaker I would push them a little on that. Ask to see the original window sticker. If the car was used by a specific BMW employee it should have the last name on it. Unless it was used as a track vehicle at the Performance Center there’s no reason it can’t be CPO’d. If the price is right for you I wouldn’t discourage you from buying it.
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There is another thread here with a similar discussion. That car was almost $20,000 off IIRC. If the price is right, I'd jump on it.
Here's the link to that recent thread: https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1591280
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I was told, on the United BMW website, cars with a stock number that ends with an "A" are company car driven by one person.

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I swear I saw someone post name of the general manager for United. did it get deleted?
Who posted Jimmy Lively contact info?
PM me it if you can.
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This was likely a car used at the BMW Perfomance Center. The performance center offers customers who buy new bmws the opportunity to try an identical car to the one they purchased, on the track. The track cars get used heavily and cannot be certified due to the heavy use they receive. While I cannot be certain that your listing is a PCD car, it's location and inability to be certified would make me nervous. Hope this helps!

Chris
if this is the case sounds like I should try and push for more discount to afford extended warranty maybe.
Being tracked doesn't overly worry me. I've read engineers blamed N63 engine issues somewhat on cars not being driven hard enough. Different engine of course though.
it's around 20k off original msrp so I think it's a decent deal if I can get more off being it's non CPO.
Car being tracked doesn't bother you? Okay. Engine/drivetrain aside, track activity puts tremendous strain on the suspension and braking components.

I wouldn't touch that car. Obviously, different strokes for different folks. Good luck.
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This was likely a car used at the BMW Perfomance Center. The performance center offers customers who buy new bmws the opportunity to try an identical car to the one they purchased, on the track. The track cars get used heavily and cannot be certified due to the heavy use they receive. While I cannot be certain that your listing is a PCD car, it's location and inability to be certified would make me nervous. Hope this helps!

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if this is the case sounds like I should try and push for more discount to afford extended warranty maybe.
Being tracked doesn't overly worry me. I've read engineers blamed N63 engine issues somewhat on cars not being driven hard enough. Different engine of course though.
it's around 20k off original msrp so I think it's a decent deal if I can get more off being it's non CPO.
Car being tracked doesn't bother you? Okay. Engine/drivetrain aside, track activity puts tremendous strain on the suspension and braking components.

I wouldn't touch that car. Obviously, different strokes for different folks. Good luck.
I'm trying to vet history of car.
Talked to BMW NA earlier.
Doesn't concern me much. just want to make sure what I'm told is the truth.
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This was likely a car used at the BMW Perfomance Center. The performance center offers customers who buy new bmws the opportunity to try an identical car to the one they purchased, on the track. The track cars get used heavily and cannot be certified due to the heavy use they receive. While I cannot be certain that your listing is a PCD car, it's location and inability to be certified would make me nervous. Hope this helps!

Chris
if this is the case sounds like I should try and push for more discount to afford extended warranty maybe.
Being tracked doesn't overly worry me. I've read engineers blamed N63 engine issues somewhat on cars not being driven hard enough. Different engine of course though.
it's around 20k off original msrp so I think it's a decent deal if I can get more off being it's non CPO.
Car being tracked doesn't bother you? Okay. Engine/drivetrain aside, track activity puts tremendous strain on the suspension and braking components.

I wouldn't touch that car. Obviously, different strokes for different folks. Good luck.
I'm trying to vet history of car.
Talked to BMW NA earlier.
Doesn't concern me much. just want to make sure what I'm told is the truth.
The dealer not being forthright with you + the likelihood that the car has been tracked = Run!
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This was likely a car used at the BMW Perfomance Center. The performance center offers customers who buy new bmws the opportunity to try an identical car to the one they purchased, on the track. The track cars get used heavily and cannot be certified due to the heavy use they receive. While I cannot be certain that your listing is a PCD car, it's location and inability to be certified would make me nervous. Hope this helps!

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if this is the case sounds like I should try and push for more discount to afford extended warranty maybe.
Being tracked doesn't overly worry me. I've read engineers blamed N63 engine issues somewhat on cars not being driven hard enough. Different engine of course though.
it's around 20k off original msrp so I think it's a decent deal if I can get more off being it's non CPO.
Car being tracked doesn't bother you? Okay. Engine/drivetrain aside, track activity puts tremendous strain on the suspension and braking components.

I wouldn't touch that car. Obviously, different strokes for different folks. Good luck.
I'm trying to vet history of car.
Talked to BMW NA earlier.
Doesn't concern me much. just want to make sure what I'm told is the truth.
The dealer not being forthright with you + the likelihood that the car has been tracked = Run!
I didn't mean they hadn't been forthright.
I'm operating as trust but verify right now.
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First BMW I ever purchased was an Executive car (driven for 1yr had 4k miles on it) it was CPO

Car was as new condition, great price/warranty, never had a problem with it...
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This was likely a car used at the BMW Perfomance Center. The performance center offers customers who buy new bmws the opportunity to try an identical car to the one they purchased, on the track. The track cars get used heavily and cannot be certified due to the heavy use they receive. While I cannot be certain that your listing is a PCD car, it's location and inability to be certified would make me nervous. Hope this helps!

Chris
if this is the case sounds like I should try and push for more discount to afford extended warranty maybe.
Being tracked doesn't overly worry me. I've read engineers blamed N63 engine issues somewhat on cars not being driven hard enough. Different engine of course though.
it's around 20k off original msrp so I think it's a decent deal if I can get more off being it's non CPO.
Car being tracked doesn't bother you? Okay. Engine/drivetrain aside, track activity puts tremendous strain on the suspension and braking components.

I wouldn't touch that car. Obviously, different strokes for different folks. Good luck.
I'm trying to vet history of car.
Talked to BMW NA earlier.
Doesn't concern me much. just want to make sure what I'm told is the truth.
The dealer not being forthright with you + the likelihood that the car has been tracked = Run!
I didn't mean they hadn't been forthright.
I'm operating as trust but verify right now.
I'm not trying to argue just for the sake of arguing; but that's a total BS "Reaganism" that has never made ANY sense. The word Trust is defined as "a firm belief in the reliability, truth, ability, or strength of someone or something."

The fact that you're having to verify means you DON'T TRUST what they are telling you; and therefore are seeking to substantiate what they're telling you.

In any event, good luck. I genuinely hope it works out for you and you aren't saddled with out of warranty repairs costs; as they're typically frightfully expensive for German vehicles (at least for me).
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This was likely a car used at the BMW Perfomance Center. The performance center offers customers who buy new bmws the opportunity to try an identical car to the one they purchased, on the track. The track cars get used heavily and cannot be certified due to the heavy use they receive. While I cannot be certain that your listing is a PCD car, it's location and inability to be certified would make me nervous. Hope this helps!

Chris
if this is the case sounds like I should try and push for more discount to afford extended warranty maybe.
Being tracked doesn't overly worry me. I've read engineers blamed N63 engine issues somewhat on cars not being driven hard enough. Different engine of course though.
it's around 20k off original msrp so I think it's a decent deal if I can get more off being it's non CPO.
Car being tracked doesn't bother you? Okay. Engine/drivetrain aside, track activity puts tremendous strain on the suspension and braking components.

I wouldn't touch that car. Obviously, different strokes for different folks. Good luck.
I'm trying to vet history of car.
Talked to BMW NA earlier.
Doesn't concern me much. just want to make sure what I'm told is the truth.
The dealer not being forthright with you + the likelihood that the car has been tracked = Run!
I didn't mean they hadn't been forthright.
I'm operating as trust but verify right now.
I'm not trying to argue just for the sake of arguing; but that's a total BS "Reaganism" that has never made ANY sense. The word Trust is defined as "a firm belief in the reliability, truth, ability, or strength of someone or something."

The fact that you're having to verify means you DON'T TRUST what they are telling you; and therefore are seeking to substantiate what they're telling you.

In any event, good luck. I genuinely hope it works out for you and you aren't saddled with out of warranty repairs costs; as they're typically frightfully expensive for German vehicles (at least for me).
Whatever. it's a saying used frequently in Engineering at least.
It will be be a point of negotiation if nothing else.
The car is under warranty. If it has issues I'll do what I did on my previous ones. Walk in and hand the SA the service bulletins and say fix it....

I've owned 2 prior. I'm fairly handy. Did quite a few fixes on my N54 Bimmers so maintenance isn't too frightening for me.
We are far from a deal anyway. Sent me numbers showing some paint protection BS and charging me for LoJack which I have no desire for.
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This was likely a car used at the BMW Perfomance Center. The performance center offers customers who buy new bmws the opportunity to try an identical car to the one they purchased, on the track. The track cars get used heavily and cannot be certified due to the heavy use they receive. While I cannot be certain that your listing is a PCD car, it's location and inability to be certified would make me nervous. Hope this helps!

Chris
if this is the case sounds like I should try and push for more discount to afford extended warranty maybe.
Being tracked doesn't overly worry me. I've read engineers blamed N63 engine issues somewhat on cars not being driven hard enough. Different engine of course though.
it's around 20k off original msrp so I think it's a decent deal if I can get more off being it's non CPO.
Car being tracked doesn't bother you? Okay. Engine/drivetrain aside, track activity puts tremendous strain on the suspension and braking components.

I wouldn't touch that car. Obviously, different strokes for different folks. Good luck.
I'm trying to vet history of car.
Talked to BMW NA earlier.
Doesn't concern me much. just want to make sure what I'm told is the truth.
The dealer not being forthright with you + the likelihood that the car has been tracked = Run!
I didn't mean they hadn't been forthright.
I'm operating as trust but verify right now.
I'm not trying to argue just for the sake of arguing; but that's a total BS "Reaganism" that has never made ANY sense. The word Trust is defined as "a firm belief in the reliability, truth, ability, or strength of someone or something."

The fact that you're having to verify means you DON'T TRUST what they are telling you; and therefore are seeking to substantiate what they're telling you.

In any event, good luck. I genuinely hope it works out for you and you aren't saddled with out of warranty repairs costs; as they're typically frightfully expensive for German vehicles (at least for me).
Whatever. it's a saying used frequently in Engineering at least.
It will be be a point of negotiation if nothing else.
The car is under warranty. If it has issues I'll do what I did on my previous ones. Walk in and hand the SA the service bulletins and say fix it....

I've owned 2 prior. I'm fairly handy. Did quite a few fixes on my N54 Bimmers so maintenance isn't too frightening for me.
We are far from a deal anyway. Sent me numbers showing some paint protection BS and charging me for LoJack which I have no desire for.
Safe.
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Ok. Update.
Dealer provided the build sheet and shipping info.
The car was used as a STEP training vehicle at the VPC in New Jersey
Listed as not eligible for CPO and EVP plans.
Sounds like if I wanted extended warranty 3rd party would be only way to go.
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I've read engineers blamed N63 engine issues somewhat on cars not being driven hard enough.
I'm an engineer and I'll tell you that is bullshlt, if there really is an engine that have problems because it's not driven hard enough, then it's a freaken design flaw.
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